Diamond Dynasty speculation

[Blzer]

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This is an interesting idea, but there might be a couple things that could go wrong.

(1) As you noted, against CPU, trading AI must be good enough to be enjoyable... and trading players to build a dynasty is essentially similar to what you do with the regular franchise mode, so not sure if such a new mode can stand out.

I guess I have to try and re-explain how this works exactly.

I don't yet know how I would make it work offline, but as far as online, you're not entering a league of any sort. You're just playing head-to-head with other people within the mode. It's not a draft or anything. Yes, you pick your own players (within your budget), but anybody can pick any player they would like, even the same players that you have.

(2) Where I see such a mode can be enjoyable is online... However, online, game balance may become an issue. You suggest a couple restrictions on trading players, but not sure if that end up working well. When you play online, a vast majority of gamers choose a small set of teams (like the Yanks, BoSox) and players (they usually only use aces on the mound). So the entire roster (that is, the collection of all players in the mode) can end up consisting a lot of the same players and a smaller number of various other players. So there might be situations where reasonable transactions cannot be made. If all players are generic with no conflicts, this is a mute point but I presume most gamers want to use existing MLB players if available.

I guess I'm not understanding what you're saying. Chances are you're running off the idea that I said about you choosing a real MLB team. Let's scrap that for the sake of argument.

I'll re-propose how you go about this:

You choose an MLB team just for the jerseys and stadiums. You also start out with a budget. Let's say it's $30 million. You choose 25 players from the MLB pool, based on however SCEA designates "salaries" on players. With your team, you set your lineups, and you go head-to-head against anybody within the D.D. online mode of your liking. If you win, you give and take; if you lose, you are taken from and given to.

The one franchise-like thing I would implement in this is how games would carry fatigue over appropriately. In other words, if you have C.C. Sabathia and start him for one game, he'll be tired the next online game you play, whether you play the next game afterward or you wait a month to play again.

Again, I'm just speculating for the sake of speculating, just because I just don't know and am curious about what new way you can enjoy baseball, haha.

Of course, so am I. However, now I kind of want to run with this idea. Again, this can work for any sport (also basketball, football, and hockey). I wouldn't mind seeing this come into fruition if it was thought out properly. That's four years worth of R&D alone.

[nomo17k]

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You choose an MLB team just for the jerseys and stadiums. You also start out with a budget. Let's say it's $30 million. You choose 25 players from the MLB pool, based on however SCEA designates "salaries" on players. With your team, you set your lineups, and you go head-to-head against anybody within the D.D. online mode of your liking. If you win, you give and take; if you lose, you are taken from and given to.

All I was saying was that by allowing gamers to choose any real MLB players (within their budget) and even allowing the same player to be picked by multiple gamers, they may perhaps end up picking the same players when they fill their team roster. It's not unreasonable to think a vast majority of gamers with Verlander/Pujols on their teams. If that happens, those players won't be very valuable on D.D. (since they aren't tradable most of the time). While that might not be a mode killer, but it takes away quite a bit IMO... I think most gamers love big names....

The one franchise-like thing I would implement in this is how games would carry fatigue over appropriately. In other words, if you have C.C. Sabathia and start him for one game, he'll be tired the next online game you play, whether you play the next game afterward or you wait a month to play again.

This is actually something I wanted to see online, for exactly the reasons you mention... I don't remember if I made such a suggestion on feedback thread... Not in this D.D. context, but when playing online with Fast Play or perhaps in the lobbies, you have to stick to your team, with all the energy related settings in tact. That way you cannot keep using aces and same players, adding to strategy elements.

Yes I would be cool to see that, regardless of this D.D. context, so please do run with it...

It's just that trading players might be harder to implement right, as the way I see the Show, it's pretty static with regard to what roster you play with. I tend to think the day that aspect becomes more flexible is when the franchise mode gets "overhaul" (by which I mean the inclusion of expansion mode, make-a-team, etc.).

[Blzer]

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All I was saying was that by allowing gamers to choose any real MLB players (within their budget) and even allowing the same player to be picked by multiple gamers, they may perhaps end up picking the same players when they fill their team roster. It's not unreasonable to think a vast majority of gamers with Verlander/Pujols on their teams. If that happens, those players won't be very valuable on D.D. (since they aren't tradable most of the time). While that might not be a mode killer, but it takes away quite a bit IMO... I think most gamers love big names....

Maybe, but that's the point of the big salary they have attached to them, plus the scary notion of losing a game if you have them (and the other team doesn't).

If you start off this mode with your $30 million, and a guy like Pujols is maybe $22 million or something, it's probably in your best interest to slowly build up your "dynasty," because if you shop for Pujols instantly, you still have a bad team in general. You lose, and he's off your team.

I see where the issue is with having similar players, but then it's a no-lose situation for either side. Eventually there is somebody that you want to get/keep on either roster.

The other big thing is you have to make sure you get a good amount of players per position. Maybe you can be allowed to sell players and buy others, but their sell value is half their buy value.

It sounds like you are keen to the idea, but it's all about working out the kinks. I certainly think this would be an interesting project.

This is actually something I wanted to see online, for exactly the reasons you mention... I don't remember if I made such a suggestion on feedback thread... Not in this D.D. context, but when playing online with Fast Play or perhaps in the lobbies, you have to stick to your team, with all the energy related settings in tact. That way you cannot keep using aces and same players, adding to strategy elements.

Yes I would be cool to see that, regardless of this D.D. context, so please do run with it...

Agreed, this would be good for any sort of online mode.

[nomo17k]

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It sounds like you are keen to the idea, but it's all about working out the kinks. I certainly think this would be an interesting project.

Agreed, this would be good for any sort of online mode.

Sure, something along the line of your suggestion would make online playing against strangers much more interesting... you'll see a more player variety, strategy, etc. Right now, it's basically just a bunch of exhibition games against often the same team, same starting pitcher... unless you join a league. It's definitely a wishlist-worthy item I think.

The reasons I still would not bet $1 (... maybe 10 cents... yes I'm cheap) on this being the D.D. are

-- don't know how to make this fun offline (especially if you have no HUM friends to play with and need CPU interactions)

-- and I don't know if the devs want a marquee (though i don't know if D.D. is meant to be marquee) feature to be a mainly online mode. As I see, the Show hasn't had a very good reputation for online play. To be honest I don't think it's that bad personally, but most seem to disagree... so I'm not sure if the devs want to make an (mainly) online mode a marquee item... just purely a guess though...

-- and those trading kinks that may or may not come out till the mode is released to public.

but yes, for online, having your own team I think is generally a good idea.

[tessl]

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Diamond dynasty is what they are calling manage mode now that they have fixed it. Fantastic news.

[authentic]

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Ramone never implied "earth shattering" or "ground breaking".

You guys are getting yourselves all hyped up, and now putting words and escalating things said.

Just saying, because if it is something you may not care for, you don't need to finger point at him, when all everyone is doing is over-speculating.

Things have marketing and legal timelines for a reason. Patience. February is a short 2 weeks away.

We do not have to go into "negative" reasons as to why it is not talked about yet. Your average gamer is not even thinking baseball at the moment. Pitchers and catchers have yet to report.

I agree. I am not really a fan of stuff other than Franchise modes. Now if this is something similar to Franchise mode that is realistic, I might be interested. I am not hyped up for this game mode, but I will sure listen to the idea behind it.

[Perfect Zero]

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Diamond dynasty is what they are calling manage mode now that they have fixed it. Fantastic news.

If you're going to make up stuff, at least put in a fake link or something.

[authentic]

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If you're going to make up stuff, at least put in a fake link or something.

Ha, what if he's right?

[sydrogerdavid]

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Ha, what if he's right?

Well, since manager mode has been done before...

[authentic]

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Well, since manager mode has been done before...

What if it's a more in depth manager mode. A manager mode that has never been done to this detail before. There really has never been a really good manager mode in any sports game, besides the games that are only manager mode games. I doubt this is what it is, but it's not a stupid thing to say.

[xandermole25]

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Another wild idea, but would be kind of cool as well:

So you start off by creating a team (yes, they give you the option to actually create a team, maybe with a generic logo and stadium and stuff) and you draft/are given a random pool of either generic or pretty poor players.

Through playing games (let's say it's online), you earn credits/cash. You spend what you earn to buy MLB players of your choice (assuming you can afford them). Players that are extremely good will obviously cost a lot of money. Eventually some online users will get these guys, and this is important for the next part of this mode...

Here's the big kicker: any time that you beat a team, you may now choose to take a player from their team, any player that you would like, and you will now give them one of your players. Now your team is assumed to be a bit more bolstered, and their team will be that much worse.

Here are the little catches of the player selection, though:

- If both of you have the same player (say you both have Jay Bruce), you cannot take another of that same [Jay Bruce] player for your team. You also cannot give your opponent that player if he already has him.

- If you have already had a player taken away from your team (not given away, big difference), you cannot ever take that player for your team again (not be given, big difference lol). So let's use Bruce again. Say that you lose a game, and that guy opts to take Jay Bruce off your team and gives you Edgar Gonzalez. If you ever played that guy again (or someone else who has faced a similar scenario) and you win, you are not allowed to claim Jay Bruce back on your team anymore. Likewise, if they beat you again, they are allowed to take back Edgar Gonzalez if they want to, because they gave him away, he wasn't taken away. They are even allowed to give you back Jay Bruce (you just can't take him yourself)... though that probably isn't the best idea haha.

The reason for the first ordeal is obvious, and the reason for the second one is almost as simple: it makes you think twice about what players you want for your team early on when you're trying to win ball games. If you are a crap team but beat a team that has Alex Rodriguez and then decide to take him, you have to remember that you're still a crap team... so now if you lose, you'll be in some trouble, because somebody else might take him away from your team, and now you can't have him anymore. You also aren't allowed to purchase him.

I'm thinking we can make exception to this somehow, like maybe you can purchase them if you pay twice their value, or maybe every day there is a pool of five players or so that they'll let you re-purchase, but just for those 24 hours.

Anyway, eventually you start building up a dynasty with your team, but you just have to be careful not to lose.

The second way this could go is that you can start off with whatever MLB team that you want, and same rules apply. Of course, if you choose somebody like the Red Sox, once you lose and Adrian Gonzalez is taken from your team, you can't get him back again.

I don't know why this would necessarily take four years to design, but this certainly is competitive, intuitive, and a whole new way to play the game (not the game itself, but it takes on a whole new meaning), and it's something that no sports game has ever done before. It could also work offline, but the AI would have to be pretty smart. I suppose that's worth four years of development right there.

isn't this along the same lines as NFL Street and NBA Street, even NHL Rock the Rink

[fanofikedavis]

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since its something we've never seen before, that excludes a franchise type mode, career mode, manager mode, multiplayer mode. maybe your the grounds crew

[myghty]

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Maybe after you win a game you get to peel a piece off!

[Blzer]

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isn't this along the same lines as NFL Street and NBA Street, even NHL Rock the Rink

Haven't played them, so I wouldn't know.

Would you mind explaining their similar mode?

[24]

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I just hope its something Offline. I am honestly not into this whole "Online Ultimate team/playing against other humans" If I want to play against you I will go to your home.