2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

We've been on and off about him a couple of times in this thread but with Profar knocking on the door in Texas for 2013, what's the trade value of Andrus?
Lets assume he'll stay at SS and not move to 2B or CF.

Buddy of mine entering the 2013 season as the Bucs and looking for an upgrade at SS. Andrus hit .290'ish with like 6 homers, 50 RBI, 40 SB and around 100 runs in 2012 for the CPU.

Would two mid B's do the trick or would he have to pony up more in return?

I'd think a very low A and a C.

i still think u gotta throw in at least one mid-B

Alright, I'll throw it in too. Probably Baldwin III or Realmuto.

He's still worth more than one low-A. Look at the Ublado Jimenez trade... The Rockies got 4 prospects (according to some rosters 1A 2B's and 1C.)

Ubaldo Jimenez was having a much worse season than what Tim Lincecum is having in your season when the trade happened. The highest Ubaldo ever finished in the Cy Young was 3rd.... Lincecum has won it twice. Not to mention Tim Lincecum is a huge figure for their organization.

The Giants aren't going to care if he's a rental or not... their not going to just give him away for one prospect with lower potential than The Freak himself.

The Ubaldo trade is generally regarded as an absolutely horrible one, so let's not use that as a comp.

Awards are subjective and shouldn't be used in trades as value.

Wasn't Cliff Lee traded for Justin Smoak and two other scrubby prospects, by the way? He was a rental that year and is/was better than Lincecum IMO. Smoak was/is an A prospect w/ lower potential than Lee. Just a thought.

[G3no_11]

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I brought up the Cy Youngs just to show how respected he is in the league and especially for the SF Giants. The Ubaldo trade was just a general reference because the two players are actually in similar stages of their careers.
I said before, I agree that you shouldn't give up 1A/2Bs/1C (Ubaldo trade) for Tim Lincecum... but he is definitely worth more than one low A.

As far as the Cliff Lee trade... I believe Cliff Lee was 4 or 5 years older? Cliff Lee also had bounced around to a few different teams before, unlike Tim Lincecum, who (I hate to bring it up again) won 2 Cy Young awards and a World Series with ONE team. That means a lot more to an individual organization....

Obviously there is no way to compare a real trade to figure out what they would do in reality or a video game.... Who knows really? The only thing that is clear to me is that the Giants would want more than one low A....
I would say an A+2Bs, but with the contract I think the fair trade would be A+B.

[seanjeezy]

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Wasn't Cliff Lee traded for Justin Smoak and two other scrubby prospects, by the way? He was a rental that year and is/was better than Lincecum IMO. Smoak was/is an A prospect w/ lower potential than Lee. Just a thought.

Actually the Cliff Lee and Ubaldo Jimenez trades were pretty similar... 1 A (Smoak/Pomeranz) 2 B's (Beavan + Lueke(which became Jaso)/White + Gardner) and a throw-in C (Lawson/McBride).

I'm not sure what year you're in AC, but if Lincecum has only 1 year left then the contract isn't even a big deal since you won't owe him anything after the season, which would actually increase his value slightly. Doubt you will have to give up a Lee/Ubaldo type package, but it will probably require a couple good upper minors players or 3+ lower minors players.

[AC]

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I brought up the Cy Youngs just to show how respected he is in the league and especially for the SF Giants.

John McDonald is also well respected in the league. But I'm not giving up three prospects for him, am I?

The Ubaldo trade was just a general reference because the two players are actually in similar stages of their careers.

There are better comps than Ubaldo.

I said before, I agree that you shouldn't give up 1A/2Bs/1C (Ubaldo trade) for Tim Lincecum... but he is definitely worth more than one low A.

Definitely is strong. I have too many prospects, so I'll do it, but he ain't worth it.

As far as the Cliff Lee trade... I believe Cliff Lee was 4 or 5 years older? Cliff Lee also had bounced around to a few different teams before, unlike Tim Lincecum, who (I hate to bring it up again) won 2 Cy Young awards and a World Series with ONE team. That means a lot more to an individual organization....

Lee was 31 at the time. Not *too* much of an age difference, if you factor in the Lincecum's delivery putting strain on his arm.

Obviously there is no way to compare a real trade to figure out what they would do in reality or a video game.... Who knows really? The only thing that is clear to me is that the Giants would want more than one low A....
I would say an A+2Bs, but with the contract I think the fair trade would be A+B.

I think the fair trade is one mid A (i.e. Anthony Gose, who I'd trade for him, or *maybe* Travis d'Arnaud), but I have prospects I need to get rid of anyways.

123456loko

[AC]

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Actually the Cliff Lee and Ubaldo Jimenez trades were pretty similar... 1 A (Smoak/Pomeranz) 2 B's (Beavan + Lueke(which became Jaso)/White + Gardiner) and a throw-in C (Lawson/McBride).

I'd give Beaven and Luke Cs to be honest, just factoring in the potential scale of the game.

[G3no_11]

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I am just more familiar with the Ubaldo trade considering I'm a Rockies fan. Bringing in John McDonald into this is rediculous....

There is 0 chance the Giants would trade one of the faces of their franchise for one prospect. If you want to use the Lee trade... They still threw in 2Bs or 1B and 1C, along with the A.... Which makes 1A+1B seem plenty fair to me.

Do what you want.. I was just trying to give some input.

[AC]

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I am just more familiar with the Ubaldo trade considering I'm a Rockies fan. Bringing in John McDonald into this is rediculous....

Like you, it was merely an example.

There is 0 chance the Giants would trade one of the faces of their franchise for one prospect. If you want to use the Lee trade... They still threw in 2Bs or 1B and 1C, along with the A.... Which makes 1A+1B seem plenty fair to me.

The 2B's or 1 B part is debatable imo.

Do what you want.. I was just trying to give some input.

And I was giving input back.

1234cookie

[nowitsourtime]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Lincecum would be an A and a B IMO

And I think Andrus is worth the lowest A or a high and 2 mid Bs

[seanjeezy]

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I'd give Beaven and Luke Cs to be honest, just factoring in the potential scale of the game.

Yes, now you give them C's, but at the time they were definitely B's (albeit very low B's) just like how Smoak was an A. Beavan was a 21 year old pitching well in AA and Lueke was a knockout reliever with closer potential (at the time). Of course we see now that they were nothing special, but at the time they were well thought of.

Edit:

Forgot the Mariners also traded Mark Lowe too...

[AC]

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Yes, now you give them C's, but at the time they were definitely B's (albeit very low B's) just like how Smoak was an A. Beavan was a 21 year old pitching well in AA and Lueke was a knockout reliever with closer potential (at the time). Of course we see now that they were nothing special, but at the time they were well thought of.

I'll take your word for it, and I still have faith in Smoaky

[CameRoN0407]

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I'll take your word for it, and I still have faith in Smoaky

Me too!!! #randomentry

[seanjeezy]

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I'll take your word for it, and I still have faith in Smoaky

I do too, I'm not ready to write him off yet after seeing how effective his new swing was in the last month

[CameRoN0407]

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How much for Hochevar? I'm about to trade Beckett and the king got hurt for 2-3 weeks so I need a pitcher 'til the deadline. I'm also thinking of bringing him back to his 1st overall calibre (yup stole that from royals19).

Edit: He's 3-10 4.58era 65k. I know that's bad but when the king comes back he's going straight th Pawtucket (Hochevar)

[AC]

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How much for Hochevar? I'm about to trade Beckett and the king got hurt for 2-3 weeks so I need a pitcher 'til the deadline. I'm also thinking of bringing him back to his 1st overall calibre (yup stole that from royals19).

Edit: He's 3-10 4.58era 65k. I know that's bad but when the king comes back he's going straight th Pawtucket (Hochevar)

Cash considerations.

D prospect?

[CameRoN0407]

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Cash considerations.

D prospect?

Stop being mean! I believe in him That's it a D?

To be honest, I thought an F!!!!!