2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3J...EpXNDMxNGZ2cjQ

There you have it, folks. OS Value Spreadsheet Beta 1.0. Catchy, amirite?

That spreadsheet should be referenced when making any trades. Granted, you should still probably post them here, but this will give everyone the ability to lay the groundwork down for a trade. every player in the MLB w/ free agents included.

Readyornot, nowitsourtime, rjackson, if you guys want to edit some values, I'll need your emails (PM), but make sure to post your prospective changes here first.

[AC]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

You still on alpha stage?

Beta 1.0 as of the time of posting

[CameRoN0407]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Beta 1.0 as of the time of posting

Looks good! Do I post my opinions here or send a PM?

[AC]

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Looks good! Do I post my opinions here or send a PM?

Opinions here, if you're sending your email, through PM

[CameRoN0407]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Boston Edits:

Buchholz: 1 mid-low A
Lackey: Cash Consideration (lol, jk)
Pedroia: 1 high A, 1 mid A, 1 mid A, 1 low A, 1 low A (b/c he's face of the franchise)

Others:

Cahill: 1 low A, 1 low B/ High C
Brett Anderson: 1 mid A

That's all I see now. I will take a more in-depth look tomorrow or one day this week!

[Totte]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Boston Edits:

Buchholz: 1 mid-low A
Lackey: Cash Consideration (lol, jk)
Pedroia: 1 high A, 1 mid A, 1 mid A, 1 low A, 1 low A (b/c he's face of the franchise)

Others:

Cahill: 1 low A, 1 low B/ High C
Brett Anderson: 1 mid A

That's all I see now. I will take a more in-depth look tomorrow or one day this week!

Asking for a mid-low A for Buchholz would mean that he'd cost someone like Jameson Taillon. Doubt any team would pay that price but something more along the lines of what's proposed in the sheet (2 mid B's and a high C) sounds more fair in terms of what teams could pony up.

Sure Lackey has a big juicy contract but they've been reluctant to move him in a deal over the winter because they want to see how he bounces back. He's better than a High D in return so I think the low C sounds about right.

What you're proposing for Pedroia is about the same price for Trout, Posey, Pujols, Kershaw and other studs. He's the face of the franchise like you said. I don't see what's wrong with the proposed Mid-A and high-B though? Add another low B because of his MVP trophy?

As with Buchholz, no team would want to pay an A prospect for Cahill. Sure he's young and has a very team friendly contract but still. A prospects in my book are players you only trade for superstars, not for guys like Cahill. I agree with the sheet of a High B, Mid B and High C.

I get what you're saying with a mid A for Brett Anderson but given his injury history, I don't think it's fair to ask for something more than a high B (like in the sheet) and maybe another low B/high C.

Sorry for bashing all input mate. Hopefully we can all discuss the values further and come up with a fair estimate

[AC]

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Boston Edits:

Buchholz: 1 mid-low A
Pedroia: 1 high A, 1 mid A, 1 mid A, 1 low A, 1 low A (b/c he's face of the franchise)

What...?

Buchholz has had a FIP below 4 ONCE. ONCE. He's had an ERA below 4 twice, one of which was SSS. He has a low K rate, and average BB rate, a fastball that hasn't been good in 3 years, and a fluctuating O-Swing%. Rather than continue like this I'll say that no one in their right mind is paying that for a fourth starter at best.

I refuse to believe that you think Pedroia is more valuable than David Price... the dude is an injury prone Aaron Hill (believe it or not that's a compliment in a way)... 1-2 ridiculous seasons and a bunch of 3-4 WAR seasons... and I already gave him a value considerably higher than Hill's, just because... I actually have no clue why. The "it" factor? He's turning 30 next year and he's consistently injured... he's had a wRC+ over 120 3 times in his entire career... he's a bad baserunner... basically, he's an inconsistent injury prone 2B. While he's a stellar fielder, you can stick most failed shortstops at 2B and they'll make the transition easy. See Hill, Aaron. Scutaro, Marco.

Others:

Cahill: 1 low A, 1 low B/ High C
Brett Anderson: 1 mid A

You can't just toss around A prospects for whatever, man... I don't agree w/ the Anderson value but I may be inclined to change to low A because of the whole Anderson-Myers thing... but Cahill is just a good backend starter at this point.

Add another low B because of his MVP trophy?

Nooo, please noooooo. Trophies mean nothing. Look up Juan Gonzalez.. He won an MVP and was all around average. I wouldn't add in another piece just because of a debatable trophy.

EDIT: Totte, how the hell do you edit this damn thing? Hahaha I can't figure it out.

[CameRoN0407]

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Pedroia only had 2 injured seasons. He has a career AVG. over .300 which is extremely hard for MOST players to do **cough**Stanton**cough**. Not to mention he is a former MVP and ROY, face of the Franchise, etc. Now before you start bashing me by saying that MVP was 5 years ago and stuff, Boston thinks VERY high of him. Sorta like you guys think of Bautista. Ben has said numerous times he is UNTOUCHABLE. That's why I put such a high price on him. He is a great defender. But as you said 2nd base isn't the hardest of positions to cover.

Brett Anderson, well I just said that because of the Wil Meyers deal. Honestly, I can care less lol.

EDIT: Buchholz, well maybe I did sorta overprice him. I guess his performance in my 'chise inclined me to say that!

[Totte]

EDIT: Totte, how the hell do you edit this damn thing? Hahaha I can't figure it out.

Can't access the file from where I am at he moment but isn't there like an Edit button or something in the top left corner? Just like you have File, Edit etc in the Office programs from Mr Gates?

[AC]

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Pedroia only had 2 injured seasons. He has a career AVG. over .300 which is extremely hard for MOST players to do **cough**Stanton**cough**.

If you're saying he's more valuable than Stanton because Stanton has a low batting average I'm actually not debating this.

Not to mention he is a former MVP and ROY, face of the Franchise, etc.

Worthless, worthless, calling you guys a franchise is generous , etc.

Now before you start bashing me by saying that MVP was 5 years ago and stuff, Boston thinks VERY high of him.

Higher than David Price? Okay..

Sorta like you guys think of Bautista.

No, we think of Bautista that highly because he put up a near 7 WAR season, then an 8.5 WAR season, and was well on his way to a 6 WAR season again. When Pedroia can do that consistently, get back to me.

Ben has said numerous times he is UNTOUCHABLE.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/mariners-notes-offense-hernandez-maurer.html

But that hasn't stopped you.

[AC]

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Can't access the file from where I am at he moment but isn't there like an Edit button or something in the top left corner? Just like you have File, Edit etc in the Office programs from Mr Gates?

My options are basic like copy, copy all, clipboard, nothing to do with text editing. I think we should group the changes in groups of 10, and every time we make 10 changes, I'll make the edit and reupload it as a new beta.

[Totte]

My options are basic like copy, copy all, clipboard, nothing to do with text editing.

Wow that's weird. What if you just like click right on the document where you want to put in an edit? Was the uploaded file marked as read only or something? Maybe check the settings of your uploaded file? Google the issue and find a solution?

MI think we should group the changes in groups of 10, and every time we make 10 changes, I'll make the edit and reupload it as a new beta.

Sounds like a good solution if you can't get anything else to work.

[37]

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no way Brett Anderson is a mid-A.....the HIGHEST i'd go is the highest-B possible

and nobody in their right mind is giving 5 A's for Petey...face of the franchise or not

nor do i agree with the Cahill value

[AC]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Wow that's weird. What if you just like click right on the document where you want to put in an edit? Was the uploaded file marked as read only or something? Maybe check the settings of your uploaded file? Google the issue and find a solution?

I right clicked it, and as I suspected, it appears to be an Image File...

[CameRoN0407]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

If you're saying he's more valuable than Stanton because Stanton has a low batting average I'm actually not debating this.

I'm not saying Pedroia's more valuable b/c of his average. I'm saying he's more valuable b/c he will constantly put a WAR up over 4.5. He will constantly put up a AVG over .300. He will constantly put a OBP over .320. Stanton's got power. He just needs to work on his average hitting skills too. Stanton has the potential to become a record setting player at age 23. That's why he's worth so much. But your saying Bautista is worth more than Stanton which I strongly disagree with. Yea I admit I should de-value Pedroia a litt
le. But the lowest I'll go is 2 A's. But Bautista is a late bloomer who is escaping his prime slowly.

Spoiler

Sorry for changing the subject!

Worthless, worthless, calling you guys a franchise is generous , etc.

Are you serious? 7 World Championships.
Blue Jays: 2

Higher than David Price? Okay..

I didn't know what his value was. Didn't look at it...

No, we think of Bautista that highly because he put up a near 7 WAR season, then an 8.5 WAR season, and was well on his way to a 6 WAR season again. When Pedroia can do that consistently, get back to me.

I still think Bautista should be as much as you had him...

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...ez-maurer.html

But that hasn't stopped you.

Haha very funny...