OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

[FunkDockta27]

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My PSN is in my signature or is my forum name.

SO IS MINE! lol

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[baseballcardudebanned]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Twins GM
From: John Mozeliak (Cardinals GM)
Re: Mauer

Although we just signed Yadier to an extention, we could use an upgrade at the catcher position. What deal would you find acceptable?
Offer 1:
Yadier Molina
Carlos Martinez
OR
Offer 2
Yadier Molina
Tony Cruz

Thanks,

John Mozeliak

[FunkDockta27]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Mets GM
From: Cubs GM

re: Swapping Veterans, Other Possibilities?

(ooc:
I'm all about helping franchisers get what they want, but Bay for Soriano is not very attractive on its face... basically getting the same guy, less speed, 2 years younger, with maybe a higher contract (at least in game)? That's not exactly what the Cubs would be looking for. At 6.5 behind, and 7 games under .500, looks like what we'd want for Soriano would be someone at least significantly younger and cheaper. Essentially, this is a deal between 2 rebuilding teams, or at least 2 teams on the verge of it, that's not really going to dramatically benefit or hurt either team. However, since it would be at worst a lateral move (unless Bay's contract in your franchise is higher than Soriano's), I wouldn't reject it out of hand, as it would be a plausibly "fair" deal, and if you're simply after Soriano, then ok; but it would not be very realistic. More realistically, the Cubs in general need an ML ready 2B better than Barney or good prospect; a 3B better than Stewart, or at least younger; younger SP prospects; and maybe a CF prospect; and overall need to get younger and cheaper (unless you can identify other specific needs the Cubs have in your universe, that's the general set of needs/expectations I would expect them to have). So I'm going to leave it up to you to a certain extent, based on whether you want to make the trades you want, or if you want to reflect reality. If you just want to do Bay for Soriano straight up, I wouldn't really have a problem with that (again, assuming Bay isn't much higher paid). But if you're after a "tougher" deal, and want realism, I'd start by asking about guys like Nimmo (I like him), or one of the middle infielders (Havens, Flores, Valdespin, Evans). Could be a combo deal, Bay + prospect at position Cubs need and Mets have lots of (2B, SS, 3B? Don't know which prospects you have on your rosters, who is rated what, etc, away from ps3 til tomorrow night, just looking at internet info) for Soriano + prospect at position Mets need and Cubs have a lot of (SP? 1B? OF? all maybes). So I'll give you a tentative, sort of informal counteroffer, that you can respond to according to how you want this thing to go down.

Back in context:]



We're intrigued by your offer of Bay for Soriano; both might benefit from a simple change of scene. We would be open to talking more about this, pending reviewing the financial aspects of the deal.

As both of our organizations are struggling a bit of late, and may both be beginning to look toward the future and achieve the same goals, that is, to improve the team, get younger and more athletic, and fill specific needs, we have a counter/additional proposal. If we were to swap the known quantities--Bay and Soriano--we'd be interested in perhaps also making a lateral trade from strength to strength involving some younger players. If you would outline your needs as far as prospects, and consider where you may have good players who might not have a spot; and compare that to our similar situation [ooc: I'll help with this by looking at the rosters when I get home tomorrow night, but it would kind of be on you to figure out what you have & need compared to what the Cubs have & need, in your universe, and get me some info as to ages, potentials, performances so far in the minors, to figure out which we'd pick], we might be able to help each other out further. We are particularly interested in some of your younger middle infield prospects, and young Brandon Nimmo would fit well into our plans. I'm sure we have some players that would fit your needs. I look forward to hearing back from you at your convenience.

Best,

Chicago Cubs

To: Cubbies GM
From: Metropolitans GM

We are excited to get negotiations underway. We will hope to have a more detailed offer to you by Saturday morning.

[AC]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: GMs of the San Francisco Giants, Cleveland Indians, and Seattle Mariners
From: GM of the Toronto Blue Jays
Subject: Catchers

Hi there!

I'm quite interested in your catchers, Buster Posey, Carlos Santana and Jesus Montero. We are willing to deal Drew Hutchinson, J.P. Arencibia and Adam Lind.

I have not started my season yet, but you can look towards real life statistics as comparables, because I will be using Scott's ZiPS rosters. Arencibia has shown very good power and has been an RBI machine, and seems to be like a Brian McCann like player. Adam Lind is a good player to take a risk on, after his stellar 2009. He is fairly cheap, as well. Drew Hutchinson has been stellar for us, giving tons of quality starts and has held opponents to under 2 runs in most of his last starts.

Santana has under preformed this year, and Montero has been decent, if not under performing. Posey has been high quality, and I'd be open to giving up more for him, although I'm very concerned about him catching after that bush-league collision last year. (Everything I just mentioned was in regards to real-life statistics.)

Thank you for your time, and let's make a deal! If you have any bad contracts (I'm looking at you, Chone Figgins, Aubrey Huff, Barry Zito, Derek Lowe, Travis Hafner, even Grady Sizemore) that you'd like to dump on us, we're game. Seriously, no matter how horrendous the contract is. We'd like to open up our wallets this year!

A quick reply would be VERY appreciated, as I look to finalize trades with other teams around the league.

Best regards,
Toronto Blue Jays Organization

[SmithP]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Twins GM
From: John Mozeliak (Cardinals GM)
Re: Mauer

Although we just signed Yadier to an extention, we could use an upgrade at the catcher position.

Your joking right? It is impossible to upgrade the catcher position if your current catcher is the best in the game
Mauer/McCann are better hitters, but Yadi gets better every year.
You need to fire yourself for even suggesting that.

[AC]

Your joking right? It is impossible to upgrade the catcher position if your current catcher is the best in the game
Mauer/McCann are better hitters, but Yadi gets better every year.
You need to fire yourself for even suggesting that.

This is not the thread for this. If you're gonna propose trades, cool. But there was no proposal here, just criticism of one's opinion. Please read the first post of this thread. This isn't the place for that.

Does anyone really care where I sent this from?

[MattGarza13]

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By the way I havn't responded to it yet because were discussing through PMs what has happened in each of our franchises first.

[TheKT]

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What can I say, I'm a psychic! I've just traded Gose, as you can see. I'm going to have to call off the negotiations. There just isn't anyone we're interested in for a price we like.

Isn't this supposed to be referring to his franchise? I know you just traded Gose in yours but Toronto probably didn't make that deal in his. We're supposed to decide if it is a good move for our team in the confines of his specific franchise right?

I'm not intending to sound like an a** or anything so I appologize in advance if it came across that way, I'm just still trying to figure this whole process out.

[MattGarza13]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

Your joking right? It is impossible to upgrade the catcher position if your current catcher is the best in the game
Mauer/McCann are better hitters, but Yadi gets better every year.
You need to fire yourself for even suggesting that.

So many people forget Mauer has 3 batting titles and is only 29... He batted like .365 with 20 home runs one season. People seem to forget on MLB 12 the show he still has max contact vs righties and near max againts lefties. He also has all red boxes for lefties and righties. He has enough attribute to hit 15-20 home runs and drive in 100 runs easy. He also has B fielding with good speed.

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[AC]

Isn't this supposed to be referring to his franchise? I know you just traded Gose in yours but Toronto probably didn't make that deal in his. We're supposed to decide if it is a good move for our team in the confines of his specific franchise right?

I'm not intending to sound like an a** or anything so I appologize in advance if it came across that way, I'm just still trying to figure this whole process out.

Nah, you're fine. I see where you're coming from. But I think a lot of people are making the deal in their franchise regardless of who proposed the trade. Regardless, I think he was asking for too much.

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[msuboy11]

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Nah, you're fine. I see where you're coming from. But I think a lot of people are making the deal in their franchise regardless of who proposed the trade. Regardless, I think he was asking for too much.

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Ya, if I agree on a deal in here, even if the other person proposed it, I do it in mine, so I feel even more like that GM!

[bwoodring9]

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Ya, if I agree on a deal in here, even if the other person proposed it, I do it in mine, so I feel even more like that GM!

I might be doing that also, but the problem is if I trade away Hamels in a Philly franchise, and then someone else wants Hamels because he's still on the Phillies in THEIR franchise, then I can't trade him twice in my franchise. So I can't make both those trades in my franchise ya know?

[AC]

I might be doing that also, but the problem is if I trade away Hamels in a Philly franchise, and then someone else wants Hamels because he's still on the Phillies in THEIR franchise, then I can't trade him twice in my franchise. So I can't make both those trades in my franchise ya know?

Yeah, but my deal for Hamels is awesome! *hint hint* Do you have any new thoughts on the deal? Any second thoughts?

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[bwoodring9]

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Yeah, but my deal for Hamels is awesome! *hint hint* Do you have any new thoughts on the deal? Any second thoughts?

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I like the deal! But I think it would be best to wait for Scott's roster until we make any official negotiations. And remember we will only make the deal if we are out of the race around the all star break or trade deadline.

[AC]

I like the deal! But I think it would be best to wait for Scott's roster until we make any official negotiations. And remember we will only make the deal if we are out of the race around the all star break or trade deadline.

Yes, I remember. Right now, our deal is Marisnick/Alvarez/Escobar. I think Scott's rosters are due on the 21st or so.

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