MLB 13 The Show Wishlist

[ptbnl]

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Thank you Knight for elaborating for me! Sorry ptbnl for not replying I had homework and baseball that kept me busy for a little bit.

Honestly, the way Knight put it would have been really the same thing I'd say to reply. In my dynasties, I always change borderline SP to RP (and vice versa) based on their stamina ratings, or to fill a position in need. A good example would be how I'd use Phil Hughes as a SU man for me, I hate him as a starter, but he's an all star reliever for me!

OK, I get that. I do the same thing. I've moved guys to LR or MR or whatever. But explain to me why this system works better than one where there are no roles assigned (i.e.: SP/RP/CP).

No one has explained why it's better, just that you can change them if you want. That doesn't mean it's preferable to just having "pitchers."

The way I see it is that a guy might be a starter for one team but a reliever or set up guy for another team. Why not let the teams decided that? Instead they're given a role that the CPU won't deviate from. I guarantee you that a guy who is labeled RP won't be in the starting rotation for the CPU over a crappier SP.

[BoSox5]

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You are capable of #'s 3 and 4 already.

Yes but these are manual work arounds that I would like to see be avoided next year. You said yourself the CPU makes the right decision when you switch every pitcher to RP. I was simply just stating that the manual edit can be avoided by just removing the CP position completely next year. It feels odd that I have to do this edit when the logic should understand (and does when everyone is a RP) Rafael Soriano is a better option than the closer in triple a.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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The CPU will place sp in roles other than sp. sometimes I have seen rp placed in closers roles other than the assigned closer. I have also seen players labeled rp placed in the rotation. One example is Bard was always listed as a rp but his stamina was high and would be placed in rotation. Ratings impact the decision as well as the role.

[seanjeezy]

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The CPU will place sp in roles other than sp. sometimes I have seen rp placed in closers roles other than the assigned closer. I have also seen players labeled rp placed in the rotation. One example is Bard was always listed as a rp but his stamina was high and would be placed in rotation. Ratings impact the decision as well as the role.

This requires an injury or CPU roster optimization though right? Hopefully next year the CPU becomes smart enough to pull Bard from the rotation once he starts to stink it up.

[Knight165]

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Yes but these are manual work arounds that I would like to see be avoided next year. You said yourself the CPU makes the right decision when you switch every pitcher to RP. I was simply just stating that the manual edit can be avoided by just removing the CP position completely next year. It feels odd that I have to do this edit when the logic should understand (and does when everyone is a RP) Rafael Soriano is a better option than the closer in triple a.

But why close out someone who likes it as is by removing the CP role?
...and I guarantee that unless one of those CP in AAA are on the 40 man....you will see Rafael taking Mo's place on the Yanks as is.(and I don't even think it will always choose a AAA CP ...even if he is on the 40....they may trade for one however)

I don't feel that strongly one way or the other on my personal preference, but I'd say most teams choose one pitcher as their "closer" and go with it for the most part.
By removing the CP role from the game, you would pretty much guarantee that you would have to edit ratings in order to get the game in line with real life MLB if you wanted it to be just like that....and "force" the CPU to use whoever is the closer for a team.

I'm sorry...the 2 minute change of roles is just too easy to eliminate something that only a few teams really do IMO.

M.K.
Knight165

[ptbnl]

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But why close out someone who likes it as is by removing the CP role?
...and I guarantee that unless one of those CP in AAA are on the 40 man....you will see Rafael taking Mo's place on the Yanks as is.(and I don't even think it will always choose a AAA CP ...even if he is on the 40....they may trade for one however)

I don't feel that strongly one way or the other on my personal preference, but I'd say most teams choose one pitcher as their "closer" and go with it for the most part.
By removing the CP role from the game, you would pretty much guarantee that you would have to edit ratings in order to get the game in line with real life MLB if you wanted it to be just like that....and "force" the CPU to use whoever is the closer for a team.

I'm sorry...the 2 minute change of roles is just too easy to eliminate something that only a few teams really do IMO.

M.K.
Knight165

I don't know about the other poster, but I'm talking more about getting rid of the CP position, not the role (in the bullpen).

I don't see the CPU signing a guy like Rafael Soriano to be his closer. The CPU would instead sign a guy with CP as his position, even if the RP is actually better.

And as for what tabarnes posted, I've only seen that when an injury happens or when there is a numbers problem (i.e.: 6 SPs, the sixth goes to LR; 4 SPs, a RP goes into the rotation). I've never seen it actually change roles because one guy is better than the other.

I think it should be up to the team to determine who is a starter or reliever. Why should a position selection dictate that?

[Knight165]

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I don't know about the other poster, but I'm talking more about getting rid of the CP position, not the role (in the bullpen).

I don't see the CPU signing a guy like Rafael Soriano to be his closer. The CPU would instead sign a guy with CP as his position, even if the RP is actually better.

And as for what tabarnes posted, I've only seen that when an injury happens or when there is a numbers problem (i.e.: 6 SPs, the sixth goes to LR; 4 SPs, a RP goes into the rotation). I've never seen it actually change roles because one guy is better than the other.

I think it should be up to the team to determine who is a starter or reliever. Why should a position selection dictate that?

I understand that....but let's say next year....for whatever reason....Mariano comes back and Soriano resigned with the Yanks....but Mo has lower ratings than Raffy.....but the Yanks IRL use Mo as the CP. Almost exclusively.
In your world, you'd either have to re-rate Mo and Raffy to give Mo the better ratings(let's just say for the sake of argument...this is the case) or you'd have to live with seeing the CPU using Raffy in that role......
If you're a "want to see what happens IRL guy"...you're screwed....or you'd have to use 30 team control and manually control lineups rotations(which to some guys on this board is akin to being the CEO of the largest corporation on earth)
My point is.....with the CP role and designation in place....it's much easier to manage rotations/bullpens....AND a quick change of RP roles by the user....doesn't break the game is quite easy.
Best of both worlds.

M.K.
Knight165

[BoSox5]

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If you're a "want to see what happens IRL guy"...you're screwed....or you'd have to use 30 team control and manually control lineups rotations(which to some guys on this board is akin to being the CEO of the largest corporation on earth)

Fair point Knight, I was really just looking at it from my perspective but I understand that this game is played in a variety of ways (which is what makes it the most unique sports game imo). I'm not one of the people that try to mirror real life to the exact detail, in fact that would probably drive me crazy. But if you're trying to mimic real life, won't that automatically force you to use 30 team control regardless?

I just see major issues with franchise mode that should be addressed. The closing situation was just one of them. If you sim through 1 year of this game and let the CPU handle their own transactions and roles, the league just kind of falls apart. For example, I've seen the Yankees trade both Jeter and Arod a couple times during the first year while they are leading the AL East at the halfway point. I just think that the Show is a step behind from other sports games in terms of franchise logic by the CPU.

For me, I think the idea that a relief pitcher will never be a closer in this game without me manually editing that player is somewhat flawed. Maybe a "closer mentality" type attribute could be added to all RP's that doesn't affect the players overall rating much, but plays a factor for the CPU to decide who their closer is. And how often is the closer not the highest rated RP anyway? (actual question, I don't have any idea really)

Having all relievers in the same category could create some interesting decisions from the CPU between closely rated players. It may also introduce the possibility of the CPU switching relievers if the current closer is struggling. I doubt any of this happens, but it was just something that I thought of while playing franchise.

[keymax]

I'd love if they add some creativity to season/franchise mode.

For example:
During spring training or after getting lit up for a couple of times your starting pitcher complains that he doesn't feel comfortable with catcher A and would rather work with catcher B. Now you have the option of ignoring that, but the confidence suffers. Or you have to put in your light hitting backup.

Or before the game a player says that he feels discomfort in his shoulder. You have the option to start him anyway but you risk further injury and the velocity/power takes a hit.

Catchers with lower defensive ratings should be worse game callers.

Some other stuff regarding rain. I would love rain delays where you have to make the decision to keep/replace your starter with the risk of injury or ineffectiveness.
Rain shortened games would be nice.
And rainouts of course.

If things like this are implemented my wife will leave me and I'd lose my job

[hbk_wess]

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I would like to see the ability to have a custom franchise mode. This way you can set how many teams are in the entire league and set how many are in each division. The Show has this in online leagues so why not offline? This would be great for those rosters we download with 1978 rosters in that we don't have to play the generic players on the D-backs or Rockies who wasn't even around then.

And I agree with getting the ability to create teams and stadiums. This way we could actually get a fully custom league out of created teams.

Would also like to see custom uniforms for the ML teams since during the season sometimes a team will release a new uniform for 1 game or a series.

In DD, there needs to be lobbys to separate GP players and non-GP players. And also have the ability to scout your next opponent so you don't end up with a cheeser making you mad.

[Knight165]

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Fair point Knight, I was really just looking at it from my perspective but I understand that this game is played in a variety of ways (which is what makes it the most unique sports game imo). I'm not one of the people that try to mirror real life to the exact detail, in fact that would probably drive me crazy. But if you're trying to mimic real life, won't that automatically force you to use 30 team control regardless?

I just see major issues with franchise mode that should be addressed. The closing situation was just one of them. If you sim through 1 year of this game and let the CPU handle their own transactions and roles, the league just kind of falls apart. For example, I've seen the Yankees trade both Jeter and Arod a couple times during the first year while they are leading the AL East at the halfway point. I just think that the Show is a step behind from other sports games in terms of franchise logic by the CPU.

For me, I think the idea that a relief pitcher will never be a closer in this game without me manually editing that player is somewhat flawed. Maybe a "closer mentality" type attribute could be added to all RP's that doesn't affect the players overall rating much, but plays a factor for the CPU to decide who their closer is. And how often is the closer not the highest rated RP anyway? (actual question, I don't have any idea really)

Having all relievers in the same category could create some interesting decisions from the CPU between closely rated players. It may also introduce the possibility of the CPU switching relievers if the current closer is struggling. I doubt any of this happens, but it was just something that I thought of while playing franchise.

I agree and even found myself removing the CP role to give it a go.
I liked it.
But I play a hybrid type of franchise.
I use 30 team control...but don't really control anything.
That is...until there is something I want to see or something I think really needs to be changed.(ie...."stacking" at a position or poor rotation logic(when the CPU puts a RP in a SP role due to a SP injury(and not a RP with high stamina...it's definitely a MR in there)....BrianSCEA is aware of this and is looking into it)

I'd love if they add some creativity to season/franchise mode.

For example:
During spring training or after getting lit up for a couple of times your starting pitcher complains that he doesn't feel comfortable with catcher A and would rather work with catcher B. Now you have the option of ignoring that, but the confidence suffers. Or you have to put in your light hitting backup.

Or before the game a player says that he feels discomfort in his shoulder. You have the option to start him anyway but you risk further injury and the velocity/power takes a hit.

Catchers with lower defensive ratings should be worse game callers.

Some other stuff regarding rain. I would love rain delays where you have to make the decision to keep/replace your starter with the risk of injury or ineffectiveness.
Rain shortened games would be nice.
And rainouts of course.

If things like this are implemented my wife will leave me and I'd lose my job

This is something I really would love to see.
...and as you stated...some feedback from the players to you as the manager and GM would be great.
Anything that increases the depth of immersion would be a welcome addition.

I would like to see the ability to have a custom franchise mode. This way you can set how many teams are in the entire league and set how many are in each division. The Show has this in online leagues so why not offline? This would be great for those rosters we download with 1978 rosters in that we don't have to play the generic players on the D-backs or Rockies who wasn't even around then.

And I agree with getting the ability to create teams and stadiums. This way we could actually get a fully custom league out of created teams.

Would also like to see custom uniforms for the ML teams since during the season sometimes a team will release a new uniform for 1 game or a series.

In DD, there needs to be lobbys to separate GP players and non-GP players. And also have the ability to scout your next opponent so you don't end up with a cheeser making you mad.

I would LOVE it if everything you stated was added.
A great list.
(I seriously doubt it on stadiums though. ....too complex to add into the game....even in it's most primitive form(like minor league stadiums)
Your first paragraph....from your keyboard to GOD'S ears!
I think we'll have to wait on that for next gen though. (just my guess)

M.K.
Knight165

[seanjeezy]

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I'm not 100% sure game calling should be tied into defense, I'd rather it be a separate rating along with pitch framing.

[keymax]

I'm not 100% sure game calling should be tied into defense, I'd rather it be a separate rating along with pitch framing.

I don't care how they do it. But there should be a notable difference.

One more thing: Pitchers tendencies! Some pitchers are predominantly fastball pitchers like Price or Masterson. The pitch f/x data is available. Other than velocity, there isn't much of a difference between those pitchers and someone like Mark Buehrle .

[SoxFan01605]

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I'd love if they add some creativity to season/franchise mode.

For example:
During spring training or after getting lit up for a couple of times your starting pitcher complains that he doesn't feel comfortable with catcher A and would rather work with catcher B. Now you have the option of ignoring that, but the confidence suffers. Or you have to put in your light hitting backup.

Or before the game a player says that he feels discomfort in his shoulder. You have the option to start him anyway but you risk further injury and the velocity/power takes a hit.

Catchers with lower defensive ratings should be worse game callers.

Some other stuff regarding rain. I would love rain delays where you have to make the decision to keep/replace your starter with the risk of injury or ineffectiveness.
Rain shortened games would be nice.
And rainouts of course.

If things like this are implemented my wife will leave me and I'd lose my job

Agree with this.

I'd only differ in that I would rather have a separate rating for game calling than having it be tied to defensive ability. One thing I've asked for a bunch is to be able to set up battery mates from the roster screen in order to account for pitcher/catcher pairings for simmed games or simply to allow for regular off-days for certain catchers.

[Knight165]

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I'm not 100% sure game calling should be tied into defense, I'd rather it be a separate rating along with pitch framing.

I meant it to be as a separate attribute as well.

M.K.
Knight165