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  • GordoJ
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    • Dec 2005
    • 313

    #3166
    Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by ACMilan99
    Meh, I think Pineda > Lincecum, but Hughes+ for Lincecum could work.
    You think Pineda is better than Lincecum?

    I was thinking more of a side-grade, but that contract room is awfully appealing, and Tim's in his last year...might as well get something for him.
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    • AC
      Win the East
      • Sep 2010
      • 14951

      #3167
      Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by GordoJ
      You think Pineda is better than Lincecum?

      I was thinking more of a side-grade, but that contract room is awfully appealing, and Tim's in his last year...might as well get something for him.
      Younger, better stats, cost-effective, controllable, higher ceiling, etc.
      "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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      • GordoJ
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        • Dec 2005
        • 313

        #3168
        Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by ACMilan99
        Younger, better stats, cost-effective, controllable, higher ceiling, etc.
        As the trade deadline loomed, I went ahead with it.

        Sorry Timmy, it was fun...
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        • mgcst5
          Rookie
          • Jun 2011
          • 381

          #3169
          Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
          Hmmm. So you removed Belisle and Chatwood and subbed in Betancourt? But then again you downgraded from Crow to Collins too... I think your proposal is pretty close, and I might just toss in a C-level MI prospect if you have one due to Betancourt's age. Value-wise this is pretty good, and in your 'chise's universe the realism is ok as well.
          The only reason I valued Betancourt higher is that KC in my chise is contending and besides leadoff hitter they needed a closer the most, Holland hasn't been good (4..5+) ERA so he might be better as a set-up guy. Betancourt easily holds more value than Belisle (ERA over 5) and Chatwood is someone I value pretty highly right now.

          Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
          Yeah, but he also said Fowler's value has been tempered by injuries/performance, and even at full health he's what mid B + low B? (though he might need a value increase on the sheet if he keeps hitting for power IRL) I figure Yordano Ventura would eat into that quite a bit since he's conservatively a high B, possibly low A.

          And Herrera + Collins > Betancourt I would think, even though Herrera is not on the spreadsheet, I'd argue low B at minimum. Though Betancourt does have nice stats in his 'chise.....

          So, in short, whatever excess value Fowler has in comparison to Ventura, would imo be made up for by getting 2 solid relievers for Betancourt.

          But, yeah I agree with you and think he's pretty close, at least giving up near equal value, with or without adding in a lower 'spect.

          As for TDA, you are a Jays fan, right? lol
          Fowler was hurt at the start but he has turned around and was healthy for the whole last month. He also is one of the best definesive outfielders in the game (No errors, over 10 assists, and 2nd ranked range factor)

          Originally posted by ACMilan99
          That's not enough. OP, can I see Fowler's ABs in recent years as well? If he's been somewhat healthy (400+ ABs) this is still unfair.
          I don't quite understand what your asking since I am in the first season of my chise but he has been reasonably healthy this year (enough at bats to qualify for batting title) He got hurt early in spring training and game back week 3 of the season and has been healthy since.
          Last edited by mgcst5; 04-25-2013, 09:36 PM.

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          • mgcst5
            Rookie
            • Jun 2011
            • 381

            #3170
            Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

            Oh and he's hit around 6 homers with like 30 Rbis (Sorry i dont have exact stats) but hes leading the league in triples

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            • AC
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              • Sep 2010
              • 14951

              #3171
              Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by mgcst5
              I don't quite understand what your asking since I am in the first season of my chise but he has been reasonably healthy this year (enough at bats to qualify for batting title) He got hurt early in spring training and game back week 3 of the season and has been healthy since.
              Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. Yeah, then, you're not getting enough for Fowler.
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              • mgcst5
                Rookie
                • Jun 2011
                • 381

                #3172
                Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by ACMilan99
                Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. Yeah, then, you're not getting enough for Fowler.
                I am high on Ventura so I think although I might be getting shorted a little bit I am content with this deal because sometimes teams get a little shorted on deals so this works for me.

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                • WaitTilNextYear
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                  • Mar 2013
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                  #3173
                  Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by ACMilan99
                  Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. Yeah, then, you're not getting enough for Fowler.
                  Originally posted by mgcst5
                  I am high on Ventura so I think although I might be getting shorted a little bit I am content with this deal because sometimes teams get a little shorted on deals so this works for me.
                  And if you're not getting enough for Fowler, it's not by a ton imo. Like you, I am very high on both Ventura and Herrera both, so it feels about even for me. But, your call...good luck!
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                  • LifeOfAHooper27792
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                    • Apr 2013
                    • 162

                    #3174
                    Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                    Tyler Pike (High B-POT 19 yr old SP) + Eric Thames for Lance Lynn?

                    Lynn is 4-1 with a 3.29 ERA through one month FYI.
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                    • AC
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                      #3175
                      Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by LifeOfAHooper27792
                      Tyler Pike (High B-POT 19 yr old SP) + Eric Thames for Lance Lynn?
                      Replace Thames with something useful.
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                      • LifeOfAHooper27792
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                        • Apr 2013
                        • 162

                        #3176
                        Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by ACMilan99
                        Replace Thames with something useful.
                        Julio Morban? Or another pitching prospect? I don't think they are in need of infielders, or I'd take this opportunity to dump Marder or Franklin.
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                        • AC
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                          #3177
                          Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by LifeOfAHooper27792
                          Julio Morban? Or another pitching prospect? I don't think they are in need of infielders, or I'd take this opportunity to dump Marder or Franklin.
                          They are most definitely in need of infielders. Miller over Franklin, though.
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                          • mgcst5
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                            • Jun 2011
                            • 381

                            #3178
                            Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                            And if you're not getting enough for Fowler, it's not by a ton imo. Like you, I am very high on both Ventura and Herrera both, so it feels about even for me. But, your call...good luck!
                            Thanks, and thanks for the trade advice. So far so good as the Royals hopped to first place and my bullpen is looking better and younger. I will probably be back on to seek advice for the trade deadline.

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                            • Pete_Dogg_18
                              Rookie
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 257

                              #3179
                              Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                              Just at the end of spring in my rangers franchise, looking to add a good young OF as Gentry had a terrible spring (.180, 0hr, 3rbi)... Would like Gerado Parra from the dbacks...

                              How does this look...
                              Dbacks
                              OF Gerado Parra

                              Tex
                              SP Justin Grimm (24yo, low B)
                              2B Rougned Odor (19yo, low B)

                              Is that enough, or should add someone else maybe RP Joe Ortiz (22yo, Mid-High C)... If not Parra anyone similar I could get for about what I'm offering???
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                              • Totte
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2005
                                • 2919

                                #3180
                                Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by Pete_Dogg_18
                                Just at the end of spring in my rangers franchise, looking to add a good young OF as Gentry had a terrible spring (.180, 0hr, 3rbi)... Would like Gerado Parra from the dbacks...

                                How does this look...
                                Dbacks
                                OF Gerado Parra

                                Tex
                                SP Justin Grimm (24yo, low B)
                                2B Rougned Odor (19yo, low B)

                                Is that enough, or should add someone else maybe RP Joe Ortiz (22yo, Mid-High C)... If not Parra anyone similar I could get for about what I'm offering???
                                That totally works.

                                Add another B prospect like Neil Ramirez and you could get Cameron Maybin instead

                                EDIT: Grimm and Odor could probably get you Dexter Fowler as well if you prefer him
                                Last edited by Totte; 04-26-2013, 12:47 AM.
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