2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[Gostorm10]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

With the emergence of John Buck this season for the Mets, the possibility of a big trade with Travis D Arnaud is becoming more of a possibility. Im looking for a trade that would include D Arnaud for either some outfield help or some starting pitching help since the Mets have an awful back half of the rotation besides Niese and Harvey. What would be a good trade do you think?

I would not advise trading Travis d'Arnaud because if you look at John Buck's career it is highly unlikely he will keep this pace up.

[Chetballard]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Haven't gotten to play yet today.... I'm hoping he's still there as I haven't checked the free agent list lately. I'll keep you posted on what deal I figure out and if he accepts.

Unfortunately, I don't think the computer will recognize his situation like in real life

Ok sounds good, just make sure he is there in my franchise the Rangers signed him early in May.

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

*please don't ask about free agency in this thread*

I would not advise trading Travis d'Arnaud because if you look at John Buck's career it is highly unlikely he will keep this pace up.

Lol, John Buck is completely terrible, but he could get a nice haul with TDA.

[Gostorm10]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

*please don't ask about free agency in this thread*



Lol, John Buck is completely terrible, but he could get a nice haul with TDA.

What teams with good farm systems are even in need of a stud catcher for the future?

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

What teams with good farm systems are even in need of a stud catcher for the future?

Rays. Blue Jays ( ). Red Sox. Yankees. Rangers. Pirates. Twins. Astros. Cubs.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Fowler (Think a little devalued because hes missed some time with injuries; healthy now)
Betancourt (ERA around 1 with like 15sv in 16 chances; could work either as a setup or closer depending how Holland is doing)

for

Herrera (remember highly devalued with demotion)
Collins (Also devalued with struggles)
Ventura

Thoughts? Feedback?

Hmmm. So you removed Belisle and Chatwood and subbed in Betancourt? But then again you downgraded from Crow to Collins too... I think your proposal is pretty close, and I might just toss in a C-level MI prospect if you have one due to Betancourt's age. Value-wise this is pretty good, and in your 'chise's universe the realism is ok as well.

Add someone like Rio Ruiz to the mix as well?

Cubs would LOVE a bonafide 3B prospect. They have Christian Villanueva whom they got from Texas in AA, and there's always chatter that Baez will end up at 3rd, but with Baez's slow start at A+ ball and Vitters cratering, Ruiz would be a nice catch.

I do agree with NFG that Oberholzer/Peacock and JD Martinez alone would not be enough for Garza. In fact, given Soler/Almora/Brett Jackson/Matt Szczur, they wouldn't have a huge need for JD.

I'd say Rio Ruiz + Brad Peacock + Max Stassi/Carlos Perez for Garza would work considering Garza's value is pretty low right now IRL.

TDA to the Rays for Desmond Jennings, Josh Sale, and Chris Archer?

Maybe to the Rangers with Nimmo for Profar?

That Rays deal looks like as pretty large overpay for a catcher who can't stay healthy and has a high floor, but not necessarily a Johnny Bench ceiling so to speak. I'd tone that down to Jennings OR Archer.

I also don't think TDA with Nimmo could net Profar, especially since Alfaro might be just as good as TDA a few years from now.

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Hmmm. So you removed Belisle and Chatwood and subbed in Betancourt? But then again you downgraded from Crow to Collins too... I think your proposal is pretty close, and I might just toss in a C-level MI prospect if you have one due to Betancourt's age. Value-wise this is pretty good, and in your 'chise's universe the realism is ok as well.

He's giving up Fowler, if anything, he needs to be getting more back.


That Rays deal looks like as pretty large overpay for a catcher who can't stay healthy and has a high floor, but not necessarily a Johnny Bench ceiling so to speak. I'd tone that down to Jennings OR Archer.

I also don't think TDA with Nimmo could net Profar, especially since Alfaro might be just as good as TDA a few years from now.

Meh, all of that is fair- TDA is a prospect that everyone has different opinions on.

Responses in bold

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Yeah, but he also said Fowler's value has been tempered by injuries/performance, and even at full health he's what mid B + low B? (though he might need a value increase on the sheet if he keeps hitting for power IRL) I figure Yordano Ventura would eat into that quite a bit since he's conservatively a high B, possibly low A.

And Herrera + Collins > Betancourt I would think, even though Herrera is not on the spreadsheet, I'd argue low B at minimum. Though Betancourt does have nice stats in his 'chise.....

So, in short, whatever excess value Fowler has in comparison to Ventura, would imo be made up for by getting 2 solid relievers for Betancourt.

But, yeah I agree with you and think he's pretty close, at least giving up near equal value, with or without adding in a lower 'spect.

As for TDA, you are a Jays fan, right? lol

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I would have to see Fowler's recent stats to form much of an opinion.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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NOTE: Fowler has been having a big year when healthy, and to those who say he wouldn't fit anywhere but Coors, He is batting .345 on the road (Over 60% of his at bats). I don't have exact triple slash line but its something like .280/.360/.450 and he has like 15 steals.

I would have to see Fowler's recent stats to form much of an opinion.

Looks like Fowler being Fowler, lol. That triple slash is pretty similar to last year IRL. No HR/RBI number though...

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Looks like Fowler being Fowler, lol. That triple slash is pretty similar to last year IRL. No HR/RBI number though...

That's not enough. OP, can I see Fowler's ABs in recent years as well? If he's been somewhat healthy (400+ ABs) this is still unfair.

[KHarmo88]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Like AC said, the spreadsheet is a great tool. Let me know some of that early season player stats and we can help set up a fair deal.

I'm thinking Iglesias could be expendable if Drew is playing well, Bogaerts is progressing nicely in the minors and if the Sox are contending and can get a nice haul by trading Iglesias. If the Sox are slumping and playing poor baseball, they're more likely to give up Drew and give Iglesias AB's in the majors

As of April 28, 2013:
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Dexter Fowler: 78AB, .269AVG, 1HR, 7RBI, .625SB%, 14BB, 20SO, 1.000FIELD%

Rockies are 11-14, 8.5GB
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Chase Headley: 83AB, .205AVG, 6HR, 12RBI, 1.000SB%, 15BB, 14SO, .976FIELD%

Cameron Maybin: 16AB, .187AVG, 1HR, 1RBI, .000SB%, 2BB, 3SO, 1.000FIELD%

Padres are 11-12, 7.5GB
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Corey Hart: 86AB, .209AVG, 2HR, 13RBI, .000SB%, 7BB, 20SO, .994FIELD %

Brewers are 7-16, 6.0GB
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Stephen Drew: 30AB, .367AVG, 1HR, 2RBI, .000SB%, 2BB, 6SO, .964FIELD%

**Pedro Ciriaco looks like he is the everyday SS**

Jose Iglesias: 72AB, .236AVG, 2HR, 11RBI, .000SB%, 4BB, 12SO, .959FIELD%

**Iglesias is in AAA**

Red Sox are 15-10, 3.0GB
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Phil Hughes: 26.2IP, 1.69ERA, 17SO, 6BB, 22H, 3HR, 1.05WHIP, 1.000FIELD%

Yankees are 10-15, 8.0GB

**Also note that Phil Hughes has been in AA - not sure if this was due to an injury when the OSFM dropped**
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[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

As of April 28, 2013:
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Dexter Fowler: 78AB, .269AVG, 1HR, 7RBI, .625SB%, 14BB, 20SO, 1.000FIELD%

Rockies are 11-14, 8.5GB

Two mid B's
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Chase Headley: 83AB, .205AVG, 6HR, 12RBI, 1.000SB%, 15BB, 14SO, .976FIELD%

Two low B's

Cameron Maybin: 16AB, .187AVG, 1HR, 1RBI, .000SB%, 2BB, 3SO, 1.000FIELD%

Hi C

Padres are 11-12, 7.5GB
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Corey Hart: 86AB, .209AVG, 2HR, 13RBI, .000SB%, 7BB, 20SO, .994FIELD %

Low B

Brewers are 7-16, 6.0GB
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Stephen Drew: 30AB, .367AVG, 1HR, 2RBI, .000SB%, 2BB, 6SO, .964FIELD%

Don't trade for him just yet

**Pedro Ciriaco looks like he is the everyday SS**

Jose Iglesias: 72AB, .236AVG, 2HR, 11RBI, .000SB%, 4BB, 12SO, .959FIELD%

Low B

**Iglesias is in AAA**

Red Sox are 15-10, 3.0GB
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Phil Hughes: 26.2IP, 1.69ERA, 17SO, 6BB, 22H, 3HR, 1.05WHIP, 1.000FIELD%

Low B, High C

Yankees are 10-15, 8.0GB

**Also note that Phil Hughes has been in AA - not sure if this was due to an injury when the OSFM dropped**
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I'd be waiting a bit to make a trade besides Iglesias or Hughes, though.

[GordoJ]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Hey guys, want to run this one by you:

First year of my Giants franchise. After a somewhat disappointing start and a hefty contract, I've had some offers, namely from the Yankees. I'm thinking of trading

Tim Lincecum (11-8, 4.14 ERA, 5.10million/year, 90 OVR)

for

Eduardo Nunez (SS, .262 15 RBI, 1HR, 510k/year, 81 OVR)
Michael Pineda (9-6, 4.15 ERA, 690k/year, 83 overall)

What do you think?

I'm having problems with production at SS and 2B, namely Scutaro isn't hitting well.
I figure this may get some younger blood into the dugout, and would eliminate Lincecum's massive contract for 2 guys with well under a mil a year.

Thoughts?

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Meh, I think Pineda > Lincecum, but Hughes+ for Lincecum could work.