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  • AC
    Win the East
    • Sep 2010
    • 14951

    #3241
    Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
    Rasmus is only realistic if the Jays choke big time and go into fire sale mode, which wouldn't happen until July, if ever.
    Untrue. If Gose is raking Rasmus is a goner (because he is the worst contact hitter in the history of recorded data). Sorry if these have been mentioned but I'm using a Fangraphs leaderboard to get ideas and don't want to go back and check.

    Gerardo Parra
    Dom Brown
    Dexter Fowler
    Car-Go
    Brett Gardner (but he's better in CF)
    Colby Ramsus
    Norichika Aoki
    Hunter Pence
    Seth Smith
    Will Venable
    Nolan Reimold
    Jon Jay (but he's better in CF)
    Andre Ethier

    Radical proposal: Ian Kinsler?
    "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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    • royals19
      MVP
      • Jan 2012
      • 2182

      #3242
      Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by Jakesparrow1008
      Are you looking for a star player, or a cheaper option?
      I want a player who has that type of potential but is young.



      I've heard that sound 3 times... once was Babe Ruth, the second was Josh Gibson, and the third was Bo Jackson- Buck O'Neil


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      • AC
        Win the East
        • Sep 2010
        • 14951

        #3243
        Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by royals19
        I want a player who has that type of potential but is young.
        I highly, highly recommend Travis Snider in that case.
        "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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        • jack1535
          MVP
          • Mar 2010
          • 1789

          #3244
          Cool thanks for all theses suggestions guys!
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          • royals19
            MVP
            • Jan 2012
            • 2182

            #3245
            Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by ACMilan99
            I highly, highly recommend Travis Snider in that case.
            Does he actually have a high ceiling?



            I've heard that sound 3 times... once was Babe Ruth, the second was Josh Gibson, and the third was Bo Jackson- Buck O'Neil


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            • AC
              Win the East
              • Sep 2010
              • 14951

              #3246
              Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by royals19
              Does he actually have a high ceiling?
              Of course he does. He's just not that likely to reach it. He's a cheap lottery ticket which I think you're looking for / best suited to be going for. He's a huge upgrade on Frenchy, solid defense, cheap, underrated speed, and still young.

              If his bat pans out, he'll be a monster, plain and simple. Plus, as you probably know, the Royals like Snider; they wanted him in a Grienke trade (Along with Drabek), if I do recall (oh how that would've been a nice trade to make in hindsight, or the J-Up for those two trade lol).

              He'd definitely be a really nice option.
              "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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              • WaitTilNextYear
                Go Cubs Go
                • Mar 2013
                • 16830

                #3247
                Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by ACMilan99
                Untrue. If Gose is raking Rasmus is a goner (because he is the worst contact hitter in the history of recorded data). Sorry if these have been mentioned but I'm using a Fangraphs leaderboard to get ideas and don't want to go back and check.
                I'll defer to you since you have a better grasp on the Jays, but you really think they'd swap out Gose for Rasmus in the midst of a playoff drive?

                Btw, Gose is at .261/.386/.377. Some good OBP there, but very little power (.116 ISO), and K'ing way too much (17.2% after 21.1% in AAA and 31.2% in MLB last year).

                I dunno though...my experience is contenders usually add but don't necessarily replace as much (meaning they might call up Gose or make a trade for an OF, but Rasmus is unlikely to be in it). No?
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                • AC
                  Win the East
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 14951

                  #3248
                  Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                  I'll defer to you since you have a better grasp on the Jays, but you really think they'd swap out Gose for Rasmus in the midst of a playoff drive?

                  Btw, Gose is at .261/.386/.377. Some good OBP there, but very little power (.116 ISO), and K'ing way too much (17.2% after 21.1% in AAA and 31.2% in MLB last year).

                  I dunno though...my experience is contenders usually add but don't necessarily replace as much (meaning they might call up Gose or make a trade for an OF, but Rasmus is unlikely to be in it). No?
                  Gose doesn't need power, so forget about the ISO.

                  http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...87&position=OF

                  Look at Michael Bourn. He's a career .273 hitter, and he's in the midst of an incredible career, 20+ WAR already.

                  People underrate defense's value. If Gose can hit like .250 in the bigs, he'll still be a valuable player; his defense is absolutely incredible.

                  http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...27&position=OF

                  Look at Brett Gardner's 2011, it's part of why he's one of my favorite players. He hit .259. Crappy, right? Well, his 4.9 WAR isn't that bad.

                  Defense is a really underrated part of the game and Gose's defense could provide enough value to make a big difference. If Gose got on a .386 OBP clip like he is now (spoiler: he won't) then he could easily be one of the best players in the league.
                  Last edited by AC; 04-27-2013, 01:08 PM.
                  "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                  • WaitTilNextYear
                    Go Cubs Go
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 16830

                    #3249
                    Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by ACMilan99
                    Gose doesn't need power, so forget about the ISO.

                    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...87&position=OF

                    Look at Michael Bourn. He's a career .273 hitter, and he's in the midst of an incredible career, 20+ WAR already.

                    People underrate defense's value. If Gose can hit like .250 in the bigs, he'll still be a valuable player; his defense is absolutely incredible.

                    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...27&position=OF

                    Look at Brett Gardner's 2011, it's part of why he's one of my favorite players. He hit .259. Crappy, right? Well, his 4.9 WAR isn't that bad.

                    Defense is a really underrated part of the game and Gose's defense could provide enough value to make a big difference. If Gose got on a .386 OBP clip like he is now (spoiler: he won't) then he could easily be one of the best players in the league.
                    My point really wasn't that Gose is a bad player, or needs to have huge power numbers to be effective, or can't have good WAR with minimal power. Obviously not every player is a .200 ISO player. Just pointing to the fact that since he does lack power, there's probably too much swing and miss still in his game to justify him in a crucial role in MLB just yet. If a young player has some pop, you can live more with the K's.

                    My point was more to the effect that even if Gose is called up, does that really mean Rasmus is gone? I see Gose more as a 4th OF, D-replacement this early in his career, I doubt the Jays see him starting in CF down the stretch this season (unless they're out of their misery already).
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                    • emcee143
                      Rookie
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 63

                      #3250
                      Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by ACMilan99
                      In that case, keep Elliot at 2B and bench Lombar, but get rid of Rosales lol.

                      If you wanna make a huge splash, there's always Tulo. Maybe Jhonny Peralta as a solid pickup. Jimmy Rollins if the Phils are out of it.

                      If I were you, though, I'd be looking into a Milone+ for Asdrubal Cabrera trade.
                      I never even considered those guys AC, thanks. I may go the Jimmy Rollins route, because if I give up Milone to get Cabrera, I won't have my solid 3rd starter, and no one in the farm to take over, since I don't trust Werner yet.

                      Thanks

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                      • AC
                        Win the East
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 14951

                        #3251
                        Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                        My point really wasn't that Gose is a bad player, or needs to have huge power numbers to be effective, or can't have good WAR with minimal power. Obviously not every player is a .200 ISO player. Just pointing to the fact that since he does lack power, there's probably too much swing and miss still in his game to justify him in a crucial role in MLB just yet. If a young player has some pop, you can live more with the K's.

                        My point was more to the effect that even if Gose is called up, does that really mean Rasmus is gone? I see Gose more as a 4th OF, D-replacement this early in his career, I doubt the Jays see him starting in CF down the stretch this season (unless they're out of their misery already).
                        The Blue Jays are determined to get every prospect not starting every day ABs (as such, my hope for a Thole/JP platoon is gone). Gose wouldn't be a 4th OF, and we have enough of those as is.

                        My point was that even if Gose doesn't get on base and you're right in that there will be too much swing and miss stuff, his defense will outweigh that.
                        "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                        • WaitTilNextYear
                          Go Cubs Go
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 16830

                          #3252
                          Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by ACMilan99
                          The Blue Jays are determined to get every prospect not starting every day ABs (as such, my hope for a Thole/JP platoon is gone). Gose wouldn't be a 4th OF, and we have enough of those as is.

                          My point was that even if Gose doesn't get on base and you're right in that there will be too much swing and miss stuff, his defense will outweigh that.
                          Sure but on a division leader, and after the MiLB season is over, when the active roster goes to 40, that's when I'd seen Gose in his back-up/defense/speed role. They'd be dumb to carry him all season on the 25-man only to have him ride the pine. I agree with that.
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                          • AC
                            Win the East
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 14951

                            #3253
                            Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                            Sure but on a division leader, and after the MiLB season is over, when the active roster goes to 40, that's when I'd seen Gose in his back-up/defense/speed role. They'd be dumb to carry him all season on the 25-man only to have him ride the pine. I agree with that.
                            Yeah, as a Sep callup he could ride the pine a bit, but if Rasmus continues hitting well and can hold off his massive regression for just long enough to sell high on him, I would have NO problems with Gose in the lineup.

                            Quite a few Jays fans are clamoring for him to come up right now, as a matter of fact. The kid's a stud.
                            "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                            • Jakesparrow1008
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 314

                              #3254
                              Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by royals19
                              I want a player who has that type of potential but is young.
                              In that case, Travis Snider, Domonic Brown, and Gary Brown are all good options. Nolan Reimold could be a fringe player of this type.

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                              • AC
                                Win the East
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 14951

                                #3255
                                Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                                Gary Brown is a pure CF and not MLB ready, I don't think he fits Royals' description.
                                "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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