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  • Russell_SCEA
    SCEA Community Manager
    • May 2005
    • 4161

    #256
    Re: What are your expectations for Generated Counts

    Originally posted by MrOldboy
    Exactly, it's something I hope they look into next year as I really like the idea of quick counts. It's why I hope in the future we'll be given a choice between what's offered now and a less compromising option (all counts). I would love for games to be quicker, but I also don't want to sacrifice certain aspects of the baseball experience. We all know the devs listen and appreciate it greatly. It's why people voice their opinions on here.
    I wouldn't hold out hope for there being another quick options introduced. We already pro-prototyped the mode with all the counts present. It didn't work, so we moved on going backwards would be redundant and a waste of resources.

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    • CMH
      Making you famous
      • Oct 2002
      • 26203

      #257
      What are your expectations for Generated Counts

      Originally posted by Russell_SCEA
      I wouldn't hold out hope for there being another quick options introduced. We already pro-prototyped the mode with all the counts present. It didn't work, so we moved on going backwards would be redundant and a waste of resources.

      It didn't work for you guys but it would work for me and others. My opinion but I digress.


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      • Brian SCEA
        Senior AI Programmer - MLB: The Show
        • Mar 2008
        • 293

        #258
        Re: What are your expectations for Generated Counts

        Hi, I worked on this feature. You'll either love it or hate it. The question is what percent of people love it and end up using it. If it's a high number, we can easily justify more alternative settings and further revisions. If it's a low number, we'll probably work on bringing you other features instead. This is all my own opinion and I can't speak for anyone else.

        Based on our experience with testing 3 versions, it wasn't an option from a time or design point of view to offer multiple settings on the first release. It was important to produce one best version and make it work the best it could. The alternative versions weren't satisfactory and spending time on them would have ruined or cancelled the one version we developed. I know this fact because the one version is still being worked on to the last minute, and the other versions required a lot more work to resolve.

        I'm a big proponent of releasing one good feature rather than several mediocre ones in general. One big reason is that after a month of game release we can gather all feedback and data on usage, and that means that your opinion is counted. Isn't that kind of reality check essential? Without that, we'd just be making too many assumptions and it would be a disservice to you to just offer multiple choices and make you the beta testers.

        There are trade-offs with every method of implementing this feature. But the great news is unlike some features, only people who like this will end up using it. Imagine if this could always be the case!
        Last edited by Brian SCEA; 02-24-2014, 03:57 PM.

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        • MrOldboy
          MVP
          • Feb 2011
          • 2653

          #259
          What are your expectations for Generated Counts

          Well, I will definitely be using QC's now!

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          • WB1214
            Rookie
            • Mar 2010
            • 408

            #260
            Re: What are your expectations for Generated Counts

            As stated earlier in thread, I'm definitely using QCs in my MoM franchise. Glad to see the team is still trying to make it the best possible right up to release.

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            • smoke2much88
              Banned
              • Feb 2014
              • 2

              #261
              Re: What are your expectations for Generated Counts

              I'll never use this feature, surprised they would put this in actually, since The Show prides themselves on realism. Oh well I guess it's nice for those who want it, but for me a baseball game needs to be long! I like that about it, I enjoy playing a full game and seeing how poised I am to play well the entire game.

              Anyway, I just wish they would of focused on some other feature.

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              • CMH
                Making you famous
                • Oct 2002
                • 26203

                #262
                Re: What are your expectations for Generated Counts

                Originally posted by Brian SCEA
                Hi, I worked on this feature. You'll either love it or hate it. The question is what percent of people love it and end up using it. If it's a high number, we can easily justify more alternative settings and further revisions. If it's a low number, we'll probably work on bringing you other features instead. This is all my own opinion and I can't speak for anyone else.

                Based on our experience with testing 3 versions, it wasn't an option from a time or design point of view to offer multiple settings on the first release. It was important to produce one best version and make it work the best it could. The alternative versions weren't satisfactory and spending time on them would have ruined or cancelled the one version we developed. I know this fact because the one version is still being worked on to the last minute, and the other versions required a lot more work to resolve.

                I'm a big proponent of releasing one good feature rather than several mediocre ones in general. One big reason is that after a month of game release we can gather all feedback and data on usage, and that means that your opinion is counted. Isn't that kind of reality check essential? Without that, we'd just be making too many assumptions and it would be a disservice to you to just offer multiple choices and make you the beta testers.

                There are trade-offs with every method of implementing this feature. But the great news is unlike some features, only people who like this will end up using it. Imagine if this could always be the case!

                That's good to hear and I respect that you all wanted to ensure the feature worked before considering alternatives.

                I'm definitely in the group that will be using it and do hope many will share in my joy in it to encourage further implementation.


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                "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                • THESHAMISASHAME
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 1482

                  #263
                  Re: What are your expectations for Generated Counts

                  As much as I like all the little things that this series does to mimic real MLB Baseball after a few two hour plus games Im fried as its just too intense at times and for my old eyes too

                  So Im really looking forward to cutting to the chase and I will see each pre count as a special pitcher /batter challenge without all the build up that Im kinda soured on so this is gonna be a great option for me and I just cant wait to see how it unfolds AI wise as its really sounds like they put alot of work into it
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                  • Will I Am
                    Pro
                    • Nov 2013
                    • 926

                    #264
                    Re: What are your expectations for Generated Counts

                    This is a welcome and long overdue feature.

                    It will be fun to actually have the time to play 2 or 3 games instead of trying to play one and getting bored with the slow pace.

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                    • Bobhead
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 4926

                      #265
                      Re: What are your expectations for Generated Counts

                      I understand this is the first year and it's already February bla bla bla. Just a random idea that popped into my head for future years or whenever you guys go about working out the kinks.

                      What about just a "exclude pitchers provision? Instead of compromising the entire mode with "unwanted" counts just to help with the sac bunt thing... how about giving us an option to simply abstain from having counts generated during any at-bat for the #9 hitter, during NL play? Or a button/menu option to "not generate a count for the next batter," that you could manually select mid-game, say, when the #8 hitter was at the plate.

                      Seems like it would be easier than more "count balancing", and it would not make anyone unhappy, or compromise the fundamental goals and ideals of Generated Counts.

                      And it helps with the sac bunt thing.
                      Last edited by Bobhead; 02-24-2014, 09:52 PM.

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                      • SilverBullet1929
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 1924

                        #266
                        Re: What are your expectations for Generated Counts

                        Originally posted by ripwalk
                        I guess you'll just have to take what you are given and it's a two-strike count, make believe that your pitcher wasn't able to get the first two pitches down, and now you have to deal with it!
                        Yep I get that. I was really just asking out of curiosity since nothing had been said about that scenario at all. I understand this is a compromising mode and there's slight negatives that come with it. Its cool, I'll deal with it.

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                        • Aggies7
                          All Star
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 9495

                          #267
                          Re: What are your expectations for Generated Counts

                          I'm not all that concerned about it. But I do like that it work while both Pitching and Batting.

                          I get really impatient sometimes when I'm in a rush to get a quick game in and it results in the opposing pitcher having a very low pitch count late in the game. At least this way when I'm in a rush I can turn this option on.
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                          • barsoffury
                            Pro
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 731

                            #268
                            Re: What are your expectations for Generated Counts

                            Originally posted by smoke2much88
                            I'll never use this feature, surprised they would put this in actually, since The Show prides themselves on realism. Oh well I guess it's nice for those who want it, but for me a baseball game needs to be long! I like that about it, I enjoy playing a full game and seeing how poised I am to play well the entire game.

                            Anyway, I just wish they would of focused on some other feature.
                            Well that's only your opinion. As for realism? Sure you don't see every pitch but what it might do for some people especially as a pitcher it will give more realistic pitch counts and totals. I'm willing to bet that most people probably have 10:1 strike to ball ratios. Also very few walks allowed as well. Hardly realistic. Now with more balls forced into counts you'll see a change I would think.... This is where I might use the feature. I won't be using it while I'm hitting though. I like full control.

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                            • MrOldboy
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 2653

                              #269
                              Re: What are your expectations for Generated Counts

                              Originally posted by barsoffury
                              Well that's only your opinion. As for realism? Sure you don't see every pitch but what it might do for some people especially as a pitcher it will give more realistic pitch counts and totals. I'm willing to bet that most people probably have 10:1 strike to ball ratios. Also very few walks allowed as well. Hardly realistic. Now with more balls forced into counts you'll see a change I would think.... This is where I might use the feature. I won't be using it while I'm hitting though. I like full control.
                              Can you have it on for pitching and off for batting?

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                              • agentlaw13
                                Pro
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 557

                                #270
                                Re: What are your expectations for Generated Counts

                                Originally posted by smoke2much88
                                I'll never use this feature, surprised they would put this in actually, since The Show prides themselves on realism. Oh well I guess it's nice for those who want it, but for me a baseball game needs to be long! I like that about it, I enjoy playing a full game and seeing how poised I am to play well the entire game.



                                Anyway, I just wish they would of focused on some other feature.

                                I think this feature in a way does add to the realism. I think it will provide realistic counts that some players might not get to bc they are free swingers or get in a rut in just try to hit that first pitch fastball.
                                I understand why some people people dont want or will not use the feature, but I like the fact that it makes you have to strategize your at-bats a little differently than normal and I think thats a fresh and welcome addition to most of us players.

                                But as always with SCEA, its an option that can be turned on/off, so if anyone hates it or gets tired of it, all you have to do is toggle it off. In my book, its just another great feature implemented into an already awesome game.

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