Full Minors Roster for '09

[king-mlb]

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I can try this to play.
THK!

[GoBucs09]

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GoBucs or tree....I need a little info on Cassatorri if you want me to include him. Thanks....

Height 6.04 Weight 226 Bats R Throws R DOB 12-17-83 Age 25 Skin 1 Build Normal

I have more info on my PC at work so I'll send ya that tomorrow. Pitches and speeds.

[Jason_19]

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I cover the Pirates minor league teams for the Tribune Review, Moskos should be a C, he his garbage.

Moskos is far from "garbage". You can't judge a player like him on his first full year in professional baseball. He did have a pretty bad defense behind him. His ERA was really high and his K/9 was slightly lower than the league average, but his BB/9, his HR/9 and his HR/9 were below the league average. He still has a mid 90s fastball, a plus slider and an average change up.

I know that's not what anyone wants to see out of a college junior in his first full season, but it's far too early to write him off.

McCutchen are the A players

In my opinion McCutchen is far from an "A" player. He is a very solid "B", though. I believe there are only 25 "A" players on the rosters. Even if he had a little more power and better base running ability, I still wouldn't consider him an "A" type of player. If Knight does make him an "A", it's cool, though.

Hey Knight don't know if you are aware of this or not, but O's pitcher Koji Uehara has developed a change up. i don't know how effective it is yet, he only used it in his most recent start. From what I heard it was decent (for his first use anyway).

I mentioned this, also. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2039333610 From what I've read, it's already slightly better than average.

I look at the cube...I don't swear by it or the ratings

That's good because, from what I've saw, they're far from accurate on quite a few things.

[Navi's_Navy]

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Moskos is far from "garbage". You can't judge a player like him on his first full year in professional baseball. He did have a pretty bad defense behind him. His ERA was really high and his K/9 was slightly lower than the league average, but his BB/9, his HR/9 and his HR/9 were below the league average. He still has a mid 90s fastball, a plus slider and an average change up.

I know that's not what anyone wants to see out of a college junior in his first full season, but it's far too early to write him off.

In my opinion McCutchen is far from an "A" player. He is a very solid "B", though. I believe there are only 25 "A" players on the rosters. Even if he had a little more power and better base running ability, I still wouldn't consider him an "A" type of player. If Knight does make him an "A", it's cool, though.

I mentioned this, also. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2039333610 From what I've read, it's already slightly better than average.


That's good because, from what I've saw, they're far from accurate on quite a few things.

I definatley think McCutchen is an A player. What 25 players do you legitamatley think are better. He is an A-, for sure (I don't even think 25 players are As, but if thats the benchmark...) under this scale, at least in my eyes. A good defender, nice plate discipline, power, speed, and relatively close to major league action. He isn't much of a baserunner, but thats something that can be taught. I guess I can understand the wariness, but I'm a fan of the kid. Not better than Fowler, but a slightly scaled down version of a similar player.

[Jason_19]

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I definatley think McCutchen is an A player. What 25 players do you legitamatley think are better. He is an A-, for sure (I don't even think 25 players are As, but if thats the benchmark...) under this scale, at least in my eyes. A good defender, nice plate discipline, power, speed, and relatively close to major league action. He isn't much of a baserunner, but thats something that can be taught. I guess I can understand the wariness, but I'm a fan of the kid. Not better than Fowler, but a slightly scaled down version of a similar player.

These ratings are "potential" ratings. McCutchen has a very wide skill set, but no part of his game is exceptional. The part of his game that stands out the most is his ability to possibly hit around .300. He's known as a "toolsy" player. While that sounds great, it's typically not meant that way.

While I might not be able to name 25 guys who are better than him right now, as far as potential goes, I could easily name dozens upon dozens of players who have greater potential.

As for Fowler, I'm not too big on him, either.

[bamadeuce2]

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hey fellas great job, one favor. will you guys give jai miller at least b speed, the dude was a stanford signee for football and basketball

[JoeRyan33]

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I agree with McCutcheon as a B player. He's your typical toolsy athlete playing baseball. There's things he'll do to impress, but on the whole he'll likely never turn those skills into consistent baseball production. I never understand why some teams draft these kinds of players over ballplayers. It's like when the Brewers took flak for drafting LaPorta in the first round - the kid was the best hitter in the draft, hands down.

[pattymat1]

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Hey Knight, would you be able to include a Stephen Strasburg CAP in your next update? Perhaps he could be placed on the Nationals, or something. Here is some basic info for Strasburg:

Stephen Strasburg; RHP; 20 years old; high socks; #37; above elbow both sleeves; black glove; 6-4, 220; B/T: R/R. Possible pitches: running fastball, slider, changeup. Hopefully this helps.

Thanks,
Patrick

[BCJMU99]

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Hey Knight! Thanks again for this, this is going to be amazing!

I'm not sure if this had been asked but what all prospects do you have for the Phillies? Do you have OF Michael Taylor? (aka The Next Big Thing) 6'6 250lbs of straight POWER!

[ComfortablyLomb]

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Hey Knight, would you be able to include a Stephen Strasburg CAP in your next update? Perhaps he could be placed on the Nationals, or something. Here is some basic info for Strasburg:

Stephen Strasburg; RHP; 20 years old; high socks; #37; above elbow both sleeves; black glove; 6-4, 220; B/T: R/R. Possible pitches: running fastball, slider, changeup. Hopefully this helps.

Thanks,
Patrick

Why bother? He's going to tear his rotator cuff before he ever throws a pitch in the majors.

[GoBucs09]

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Moskos is far from "garbage". You can't judge a player like him on his first full year in professional baseball. He did have a pretty bad defense behind him. His ERA was really high and his K/9 was slightly lower than the league average, but his BB/9, his HR/9 and his HR/9 were below the league average. He still has a mid 90s fastball, a plus slider and an average change up.

I know that's not what anyone wants to see out of a college junior in his first full season, but it's far too early to write him off.

I agree I wouldn't exactly call him "garbage" either but I also don't rate him as high as a B either. The fact that he doesn't even make top 300 prospect lists (I stand corrected, he's actually 247 in scouting book) is a kick in the gut to Pirate fans by Dave Littlefield. Of course it's not Moskos fault he was drafted higher then he should have been, he could still turn out to be a solid reliver someday, maybe even a closer.

Originally he was a reliver for Clemson, he was only made a starter out of need by the team. I also don't think you can blame his stats entirely on defense, there are other pitchers in Lynchburg as well that had better stats, although Moskos was a year younger.

I guess it's not a stretch to say he is a "B" potential but I would only rate him as a "C". In MLB09 The Show I have heard even "C" potential players can turn out to be solid MLB players. EDIT: If there are more than 250 "B" potential editable players in MLB09 The Show then I'm okay with Moskos being rated as a "B" potential.

In my opinion McCutchen is far from an "A" player. He is a very solid "B", though. I believe there are only 25 "A" players on the rosters. Even if he had a little more power and better base running ability, I still wouldn't consider him an "A" type of player. If Knight does make him an "A", it's cool, though.

I agree with McCutcheon as a B player. He's your typical toolsy athlete playing baseball. There's things he'll do to impress, but on the whole he'll likely never turn those skills into consistent baseball production. I never understand why some teams draft these kinds of players over ballplayers. It's like when the Brewers took flak for drafting LaPorta in the first round - the kid was the best hitter in the draft, hands down.

Are we talking video game wise or real life? If it's real life it might just be personal opinion. Baseball Prospectus has McCutchen at number 25 of its top 100 prospects while Baseball America has him at 33 on it's top 100 list. Most lists have him between 25 and 35.

The Show has room for I think 25 "A" potential players. Here are 30 players that might be considered to have more potential than McCutchen.

1. Matt Wieters C
2. David Price LHP (I think he is already in the game)
3. Colby Rasmus OF
4. Tommy Hanson RHP
5. Jason Heyward OF
6. Travis Snider OF
7. Brett Anderson LHP
8. Cameron Maybin OF
9. Madison Bumgarner LHP
10. Neftali Feliz RHP
11. Trevor Cahill RHP
12. Pedro Alvarez 3B
13. Mike Moustakas 3B
14. Buster Posey C
15. Dexter Fowler OF
16. Mike Stanton OF
17. Lars Anderson 1B
18. Logan Morrison 1B
19. Alcides Escobar SS
20. Gordon Beckham SS
21. Rick Porcello RHP
22. Chris Tillman RHP
23. Justin Smoak 1B
24. Eric Hosmer 1B
25. Brian Matusz LHP
26. Carlos Santana C
27. Matt LaPorta OF/1B
28. Tim Beckham SS
29. Jarrod Parker RHP
30. Fernando Martinez OF

[airness007]

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**COUGH** Austin Jackson CF for the Yankees, had an excellent spring this year. Sadly, he won't get a shot this year unless old man Damon gets hurt **COUGH COUGH B COUGH**

[bravesfan1984]

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http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sports/braves/stories/2009/03/26/atlanta_braves_tommy_hanson.html

hey knight, for your rosters, the braves announced a few roster cuts today. they are sending tommy hanson, jo-jo reyes, clint sammons to AAA. they are also sending freddie freeman, jason heyward to single A which would be AA in mlb the show.

[Navi's_Navy]

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I agree I wouldn't exactly call him "garbage" either but I also don't rate him as high as a B either. The fact that he doesn't even make top 300 prospect lists (I stand corrected, he's actually 247 in scouting book) is a kick in the gut to Pirate fans by Dave Littlefield. Of course it's not Moskos fault he was drafted higher then he should have been, he could still turn out to be a solid reliver someday, maybe even a closer.

Originally he was a reliver for Clemson, he was only made a starter out of need by the team. I also don't think you can blame his stats entirely on defense, there are other pitchers in Lynchburg as well that had better stats, although Moskos was a year younger.

I guess it's not a stretch to say he is a "B" potential but I would only rate him as a "C". In MLB09 The Show I have heard even "C" potential players can turn out to be solid MLB players. EDIT: If there are more than 250 "B" potential editable players in MLB09 The Show then I'm okay with Moskos being rated as a "B" potential.





Are we talking video game wise or real life? If it's real life it might just be personal opinion. Baseball Prospectus has McCutchen at number 25 of its top 100 prospects while Baseball America has him at 33 on it's top 100 list. Most lists have him between 25 and 35.

The Show has room for I think 25 "A" potential players. Here are 30 players that might be considered to have more potential than McCutchen.

1. Matt Wieters C
2. David Price LHP (I think he is already in the game)
3. Colby Rasmus OF
4. Tommy Hanson RHP
5. Jason Heyward OF
6. Travis Snider OF
7. Brett Anderson LHP
8. Cameron Maybin OF
9. Madison Bumgarner LHP
10. Neftali Feliz RHP
11. Trevor Cahill RHP
12. Pedro Alvarez 3B
13. Mike Moustakas 3B
14. Buster Posey C
15. Dexter Fowler OF
16. Mike Stanton OF
17. Lars Anderson 1B
18. Logan Morrison 1B
19. Alcides Escobar SS
20. Gordon Beckham SS
21. Rick Porcello RHP
22. Chris Tillman RHP
23. Justin Smoak 1B
24. Eric Hosmer 1B
25. Brian Matusz LHP
26. Carlos Santana C
27. Matt LaPorta OF/1B
28. Tim Beckham SS
29. Jarrod Parker RHP
30. Fernando Martinez OF

I fail to see how Escobar has potential. I love Alcides, as I love defensive ability, but he doesn't strike me as having more potential than McCutchen. I doubt that Alcides EVER hits in the same range as McCutchen, and McCutchen's defensive ability is nothing to sneeze at as he plays at a relatively difficult position in center. The 2008 draft class was great, I'm a Rays fan, I have to like guys like Tim Beckham, but I'm weary of ranking any draftees higher than 15-20 (where Smoak would go) until they prove more. In my prospect lists I have Smoak, Alvarez, Matusz, T. Beckham, Hosmer, G. Beckham from 18 (smoak) - 32 (gordon beckham). That list was made a few months ago, but as an overall prospect I still take the guy that has more information that has been put out in front of me. I feel defense is severely underrated when regarding prospects, and thats why 1B need to be devalued a little bit. Beckham probably isn't going to stick at SS (although the White Sox are barren at the position once they find out that Alexei couldn't play 2B that well hes not going to do SS well either), and his glove is a bit of a liability. T. Becks is just so far away, I think its a little ridiculous to start calling him a better prospect (the same can be said, in a way, of Fernando Martinez, who needs to start producing before we move him up any more prospect lists).

They key word you used was might. I really am not a fan of Tommy Hanson, and probably never will be, Alvarez seems to be heading to 1B because of weight issues, Posey just doesn't seem that high-upside to me (he should be a very decent player, but even if we're ranking strictly on potential without factoring in bust potential or closeness to the majors I wouldn't have him in the top 20), Mike Stanton has that glaring strikeout issue in his game that screams out to me despite his age; Alvarez, Lars, Morrison, Smoak, Hosmer, Freeman are all just a step below right now for various reasons. I have Smoak, Alvarez, Morrison, Lars, Hosmer, Freeman, as I mentioned before, in the 15-30 range.

To each his own I suppose. It depends how much credence you put into closeness to the majors. I might overrank guys like Jeff Niemann and Michael Bowden, to say, but I feel that their worst case scenarios are better than what could happen to Mike Stanton who has a ways to go. The same logic translates in this situation. I feel that McCutchen's obvious improvement of plate discipline over the course of last year shows that he is still improving. He is going to be 22 for the duration of next season, a time where some decent players are in high A ball. I feel that only two tools need to develop more, and improved baserunning can be taught, as he certainly has the tools to succeed on the basepaths. Given some time I expect a little bit of a power increase, not much, but a .400+ SLG is more than passable when you're OBPing .350+ and playing above average defense at a tough position. I think he is very close to achieving those aforementioned benchmarks if he were to play today for the Pirates, so more seasoning is just going to help him get closer in my opinion.

[mpaxisa]

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Hey Knight, just a heads up: Wilkins DeLaRose of the Yanks is a LHP, not a RHP like he is in the AL set. Someone may have already pointed this out, if so sorry about the double post.

Thanks for all your hard work.