Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

**rudyjuly2** · 03-06-2009, 08:36 AM

Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

I just like to look at slider sets. Sometimes they give me ideas about my own tweaks and sometimes it lets me know how good or bad I am relatively speaking.

A couple questions for you:
1) Why do you have power raised up? Do you think the ball doesn't fly far enough off of people's bats? I haven't seen a real issue with this so far.

2) What exactly does the timing slider do again? I haven't messed with that at all yet.

The couple things that I do is drop fielder speed all the way down to 0. I also think relief fatigue should be set to 0 as well. I definitely agree about boosting fielding errors. I've used 9 and 10 so far. Even at 10 there isn't a crazy amount of them. I've started to drop strike frequency myself but I haven't bottomed it out yet. Can you comment on that more?

**Blzer** · 03-06-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by rudyjuly2

I just like to look at slider sets. Sometimes they give me ideas about my own tweaks and sometimes it lets me know how good or bad I am relatively speaking.

Certainly valid. I started mine from scratch, and I'm thinking that so far I have all of mine on the correct side of 5. The severity is the question at this point.

A couple questions for you:
1) Why do you have power raised up? Do you think the ball doesn't fly far enough off of people's bats? I haven't seen a real issue with this so far.

To be honest, this is currently the case for me. I'm not sure if what that one guy said about raising the difficulty level and such was true, but some of my players were hitting plenty weakly. But I'm also doing my slider set based off playing against #1 starters, so I've been seeing a lot of corner pitching (and I mean a lot). I'm not jacking home runs left and right, in fact I'm not jacking many at all. But I need for players to be able to get some pop in their bats for shots down the line and such, and I feel this helps it. The solid hits may have to be toned down (maybe also with power) when I check out how I am against a #5 starter.

2) What exactly does the timing slider do again? I haven't messed with that at all yet.

Here's my logic, and it ties into drawing walks:

I don't believe in aids or crutches. That doesn't include a power slider when I feel like I deserve more pop for some hits, but I think that timing is one of them. I should be rewarded for waiting on the changeup, and I should be discredited for waving early at it as well. Essentially, it becomes a rewarding thing. If you jack it up to 10, waiting on a changeup is irrelevant as the game will do it for you. And if you rely on the crutch, where's the challenge in that?

Now, this also means that if you're waiting on it, then you're seeing it. Seeing a changeup, curveball, etc. means that you're knowing its break, and knowing its break means that you can predetermine its final location. If you can recognize a curveball whose breakpoint is down the middle (thus dropping below the strike zone), then you'll know to lay off the pitch. Simply, bringing timing down to zero helps you learn to recognize pitches more and learn to take them a bit more as you see they aren't the pitch to your liking instead of hacking away at balls and borderline strikes. It helps me very much.

The couple things that I do is drop fielder speed all the way down to 0.

I think fielders run too slow this way, at least on a visual level. I at least want it to look like they are giving a decent effort to the ball. This is why I dropped the reaction time, not giving them an instant first jump on everything. So far things have been looking pretty okay. Arm strength has been reduced by 1 too, things are looking better.

I also think relief fatigue should be set to 0 as well.

Yeah, I want to find out the extent to which I should lower reliever fatigue. What I want is for the user to not be able and abuse their relievers for more than two innings (one for most). Though the reason this one isn't set in stone is because I don't yet know what their recovery period is like during season mode, and I don't want to jump the gun too soon if they can't rest up in time a little bit, even if for a game the next day (there are plenty of relievers that throw consecutive days). So again, it's still a work in progress and I'd appreciate more feedback from people in that regard.

I definitely agree about boosting fielding errors. I've used 9 and 10 so far. Even at 10 there isn't a crazy amount of them.

Yeah, I still want to look at this more. Before I had it at 8, but then I realized the difficulty of fielding the ball that was hit wasn't really a factor, and they instead decided on choosing random hits to field on. The most routine of ground balls made players look like
Bill Buckner (and I mean soft mutha****as).

Again, this one is still definitely a work in progress. We'll see where I take it.

I've started to drop strike frequency myself but I haven't bottomed it out yet. Can you comment on that more?

Sounds like me, only in the end I actually tried bottoming it out yesterday. Simply, I wasn't drawing the walk enough nor was I seeing deep pitch counts for the CPU. I recall getting the starter to throw 108 pitches after 7 2/3 before they went to the reliever, and the reliever walked one in the eighth inning, etc. I was getting good numbers here IMO. And again, part of this has to do with me seeing the pitches well.

I appreciate your concern for a good working slider set, man. Keep it up!

**rudyjuly2** · 03-06-2009, 10:59 AM

Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

Originally posted by Blzer

Yeah, I still want to look at this more. Before I had it at 8, but then I realized the difficulty of fielding the ball that was hit wasn't really a factor, and they instead decided on choosing random hits to field on. The most routine of ground balls made players look like
Bill Buckner (and I mean soft mutha****as).

Again, this one is still definitely a work in progress. We'll see where I take it.

I agree. I think that is an issue with the fielding error slider. It doesn't seem to just affect errors. It also seems to affect if your players will even make plays or not. I think it's one reason why so many balls seem to get by my infielders at times. I may have to reduce this over time if I keep seeing it.

**Hoos** · 03-06-2009, 01:06 PM

Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

I'll give these a whirl Blzer and report back soon (sometime this weekend).

**DTX3** · 03-06-2009, 04:33 PM

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I'll have to give these a try sometime down the road, I'm getting owned on Veteran.

**royals_fan_16** · 03-06-2009, 06:27 PM

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I'm going to test a couple games and report back.

**royals_fan_16** · 03-06-2009, 06:52 PM

Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

Game 1

Completely dominated by the Yankees

CPU (Yankees/Sabathia) around 100 for the 9 ip

15 hits
4 runs
2 2bs
7 ks
1bb

Me (Orioles/Guthrie) 87 pitches through 7 ip

4 hits
1 run
1 HR
12 ks
1 bb

CC Sabathia threw a complete game 4 hitter. I was shut out until Ty Wigginton hit a hr with 2 outs in the 9th.

This isn't the best test yet since I faced one of the elite pitchers in the game.

**Blzer** · 03-06-2009, 07:21 PM

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Well I just wanted to say that I made some changes this morning and didn't have time to edit (including lowering fielder speed). I'll post them after one more game of testing.

**Jordanfan23** · 03-06-2009, 09:32 PM

Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

I will give these a whirl & post some reults also

**Blzer** · 03-07-2009, 02:15 AM

Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

Slight modifications made. I feel the CPU overall is allowed to run faster/throw harder than me, but I may just be imagining it.

**bukktown** · 03-07-2009, 03:07 AM

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Ran these sliders through a game of Twins at Boston. I enjoyed them. I had been switching between HOF/Legend before trying this and I was getting too frustrated with hitting weak grounders all game............... I lost 4-3 in 11 innings. My team had 10 hits in 42 at bats. I will keep playing with these. I was making much better contact and hitting was more fun.

**cnelly4** · 03-07-2009, 08:29 AM

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I used these exact sliders in my first franchise game. Twins (me) vs Mariners. But I played on HOF instead and they worked out great. I lost 6-4. I had 8 hits and the computer had 13. My bullpen gave up 6 hits and 2 runs in 4 innings though, and the Twins bullpen blows. King Felix was tough. I scored two in the first on a HBP, a Mauer double, and a pass ball by Johjima. Then I had one hit in each the second and third, but then Hernandez took over and I did not get another hit until he was gone in the 8th. The only problem that I had was that Hernandez hit 4 batters and Mark Lowe came in and hit one also. I drew a couple of walks, one of them with Delmon Young of all people. I still am getting used to the game though and I struck out 13 times. But I would say that these sliders would play perfect if I could figure out how to get my batters out of the way a little faster!!!!

Going to start my second game right about.............NOW!!!! Love this game!!

**Blzer** · 03-07-2009, 08:31 AM

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Yeah I started getting a problem with batters being hit left and right (plus wild pitches). Raising the Pitcher Consistency hopefully will help with that... I may have to try and raise it even more though.

With my recent changes I lowered the CPU Pitcher Control slider one more notch and lowered the Solid Hits one more notch for humans as well, we'll see how that goes. Basically, I didn't want people to get too frustrated that the CPU was corner pitching all of the time. Because with these sliders, it's important that sometimes you work the count until you find a pitch in your wheelhouse, which isn't often. This definitely isn't for people that are always trying to get hits if it's anywhere in the strike zone. If it's first pitch, 2 - 0, 3 - 1, you gotta be more selective and make sure you're not trying to drive a low and away changeup (still nipping the corner for a strike). You probably won't be successful. Hopefully making those two adjustments that I did will do something.

**rudyjuly2** · 03-07-2009, 08:59 AM

Re: Blzer's All-Star Sliders and Settings

Originally posted by Blzer

Yeah I started getting a problem with batters being hit left and right (plus wild pitches). Raising the Pitcher Consistency hopefully will help with that... I may have to try and raise it even more though.

Are you talking about human or cpu pitchers (or both)? Are you seeing this with crappier pitchers or everyone? A lot of guys have been talking about dropping a lot of the cpu pitcher sliders all the way down to zero but I'm with you in thinking that consistency should stay at default (or possibly higher like you have it because of HBPs and wild pitches/passed balls).

I dropped strike frequency down to 1 although I may try it again at 0 like you have it. Its pretty good down there.

I haven't messed with fielder arm strength yet. I'm fairly clueless on that. I see you dropped it to 3. Is that to adjust the infield arms or an outfield arm problem you see? Sony should have provided two sliders for this rather than a simple global one.

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