Titus' Veteran Slider Set

[Titus1108]

Re: Titus' Veteran Slider Set

Hey Titus,

First of all, I want to give you props on your sliders. I'm newly converted to The Show from the "other" game, and now I realize why The Show has received such high reviews over the years. Simply put, it's one of the best video game representations of a sport that I've ever played.

With that being said, I'm still in the "adjustment" stages of playing this game. I've played about 15 games with your sliders, and my record is 5-10. Definitely not where I want to be, but I'm having a blast playing. Just like Dorismary has been saying throughout the thread, you don't ever feel "cheated" with these sliders. I played on All-Star for a couple of games, and it's way out of my league.

I wanted to get some feedback from you (or anybody for that matter) about your sliders. I'm pretty much have everything set as you have on the first page, with the exceptions being I have fielding set to "Manual" and I prefer Meter Pitching. My question is regarding the Classic vs. Meter Pitching. I haven't really given Classic pitching a shot, because to me, it was just a matter of placing the ball where you want and hitting the corresponding button. Seemed a little on the "easy"/boring side, so I've been using Meter for the majority of my games. I guess my question is why you chose to set it that way, and if you have any recommendations on tweaks for Meter Pitching. I know you've been saying that the sliders are best when set EXACTLY as you have them, so I'm wondering if I'm missing out by using Meter instead of Classic.

Thanks and cheers to you for your slider set!

Honestly, not sure how well these sliders would work with using meter pitching. I have my doubts about using it with these sliders. I feel classic gives more "realistic" results, with pitch counts, walks etc...Give it a shot though! Glad to hear u made the switch from the other game, wise decision!

[itbeme23]

Re: Titus' Veteran Slider Set

Honestly, not sure how well these sliders would work with using meter pitching. I have my doubts about using it with these sliders. I feel classic gives more "realistic" results, with pitch counts, walks etc...Give it a shot though! Glad to hear u made the switch from the other game, wise decision!

LOL! Wanna hear some irony??? Just played my first complete game using Classic Pitching. The results? I get my *** handed to me by the Braves (Tonight's pitching matchup - Kuroda vs. Malden) 9-1, Kuroda doesn't make it out of the 5th after giving up 5 runs, throwing over 100 pitches and 5 BB's, and my bullpen didn't fair much better.

So much for my "easy"/boring theory about Classic Pitching!!!

[GJEM]

Re: Titus' Veteran Slider Set

Hey Titus,

First of all, I want to give you props on your sliders. I'm newly converted to The Show from the "other" game, and now I realize why The Show has received such high reviews over the years. Simply put, it's one of the best video game representations of a sport that I've ever played.

With that being said, I'm still in the "adjustment" stages of playing this game. I've played about 15 games with your sliders, and my record is 5-10. Definitely not where I want to be, but I'm having a blast playing. Just like Dorismary has been saying throughout the thread, you don't ever feel "cheated" with these sliders. I played on All-Star for a couple of games, and it's way out of my league.

I wanted to get some feedback from you (or anybody for that matter) about your sliders. I'm pretty much have everything set as you have on the first page, with the exceptions being I have fielding set to "Manual" and I prefer Meter Pitching. My question is regarding the Classic vs. Meter Pitching. I haven't really given Classic pitching a shot, because to me, it was just a matter of placing the ball where you want and hitting the corresponding button. Seemed a little on the "easy"/boring side, so I've been using Meter for the majority of my games. I guess my question is why you chose to set it that way, and if you have any recommendations on tweaks for Meter Pitching. I know you've been saying that the sliders are best when set EXACTLY as you have them, so I'm wondering if I'm missing out by using Meter instead of Classic.

Thanks and cheers to you for your slider set!

I also use meter pitching and as far as your question what I have done is lower pitcher consistency down to 5 (default) from the designed 7. It seems to have made this set work for us meter guys. So, pitcher control- 1 : and pitcher consistency- 5. I tentatively say that's what I'm going to stay with but you can never be sure it seems.

Oddly enough, looking at my profile and my schedule I have more strike outs with it at 1/5 than 1/7 but the CPU's hitting, walks, and runs are up, so that's good. My only problem (that I have personally encountered) with this set, which I must say have been the best for my skill level I have played with, is that I cannot for the life of me score more than 4 runs. In 20 games of my KC franchise I have yet, not once, scored more than 4 runs. Every game that I have played my scores have been between 0-4 for my side of things, so if I give up more than 4 runs which tends to happen being the Royals lol I know I'm done. I'm constantly getting runners in scoring position but can't capitalize on those opportunities, I just can't get that key hit and it gets SO frustrating. I leave an average of 8 runners on base when the games all said and done. I stay so patient too and don't chase but it always seems to be an ground out or fly out. Errr! lol. But I digress, well I hope you find the 1/5 setting to help or answer your above question.

I increased foul ball frequency because pitch counts weren't nearly close enough to where they needed to be. My main problem is the CPU seemingly getting 2-out rallies going, almost to where I can call it.

If I get the first two batters out with 6 or less pitches I know the CPU is going to do something, whether it be them hitting the first pitch for the next few batters, or my guys start making errors in the field. I almost few powerless to stop it at all. Sure, it's baseball but more times than not when I'm hitting I get the perfect timing with solid contact and I hit a sharp grounder or liner RIGHT at somebody or it's a foul ball.

Maybe I'm just frustrated, but I don't feel like the game rewards you enough for doing things well, but punishes you very hard for messing up. It's not a slider issue, it's a programming issue...

/rant

I hear yea, I also know those two-out rallies are coming as sure as the sun rises and sets...you can just feel it coming, it's weird, sux big time and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. No pitch or location is going to stop it, can be very frustrating...especially in the 9th when you're trying to close a game out.

[Titus1108]

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LOL! Wanna hear some irony??? Just played my first complete game using Classic Pitching. The results? I get my *** handed to me by the Braves (Tonight's pitching matchup - Kuroda vs. Malden) 9-1, Kuroda doesn't make it out of the 5th after giving up 5 runs, throwing over 100 pitches and 5 BB's, and my bullpen didn't fair much better.

So much for my "easy"/boring theory about Classic Pitching!!!

Lol ya classic pitching may sound "boring" but its far from it imo! I know dorismary has pitched a no hitter, and I THINK a perfect game using classic pitching, so it can go both ways. I had a no hitter into the 7th with Ubaldo Jimenez once, but never any closer to that thus far. Classic is the way to go imo with these sliders. If using meter, you'll prolly have to tweak the user pitching sliders a little bit.

[dorismary]

Re: Titus' Veteran Slider Set

Interesting...

I was also wondering about the zero for fouls, b/c as you described, the percentages are off in the games you played...

Wouldn't the lack of fouls also affect pitch counts?

Guys me personally I have no issues with pitch counts but to each his own , but hear me out i mean depending whos pitching the score ect , intangbles I see all types of things .
EX: I won one game 6-0 Billingsley complete game 98 pitches vs Halladay 7 innings 99 pitches and 2 runs giving up .
He was pulled for a PH as they were down .
In the next game I lost 9-1 Minn at Bost Me Lackey ko in the 3rd with 58 pitches thrown and the CPU fouled off a alot of pitches actually tons .
So what im saying on fouls is you cant judge on one game a things change in this game do to the AI , teams , batters , situations and pitcher and batter CONFIDENCE PLAYS A HUGE PART IN THIS GAME.

I increased foul ball frequency because pitch counts weren't nearly close enough to where they needed to be. My main problem is the CPU seemingly getting 2-out rallies going, almost to where I can call it.



If I get the first two batters out with 6 or less pitches I know the CPU is going to do something, whether it be them hitting the first pitch for the next few batters, or my guys start making errors in the field. I almost few powerless to stop it at all. Sure, it's baseball but more times than not when I'm hitting I get the perfect timing with solid contact and I hit a sharp grounder or liner RIGHT at somebody or it's a foul ball.

Maybe I'm just frustrated, but I don't feel like the game rewards you enough for doing things well, but punishes you very hard for messing up. It's not a slider issue, it's a programming issue...

/rant

See this is why I woundnt change it much as you are over time making the cpu tougher with 2 strikes which leads to your frustration especially at key times in the game.
Remember the CPU is more agressive when behind you dont always have to throw strikes , use set up pitches you gotta fool them change speeds as SCEA even said the AI reacts to trends so switch it up .

Honestly, not sure how well these sliders would work with using meter pitching. I have my doubts about using it with these sliders. I feel classic gives more "realistic" results, with pitch counts, walks etc...Give it a shot though! Glad to hear u made the switch from the other game, wise decision!

Its common knowledge that Meter is easier to pin point than classic by far so whoever said meter is tougher is incorrect .

If you used meter with titus sliders you would have a tough time as you would have to lower your pitcher sliders low and they are already at 1 for con ?
At that point you would have to raise cpu batting

LOL! Wanna hear some irony??? Just played my first complete game using Classic Pitching. The results? I get my *** handed to me by the Braves (Tonight's pitching matchup - Kuroda vs. Malden) 9-1, Kuroda doesn't make it out of the 5th after giving up 5 runs, throwing over 100 pitches and 5 BB's, and my bullpen didn't fair much better.

So much for my "easy"/boring theory about Classic Pitching!!!

Classic with Titus sliders are a joy win or lose .
Had lincecum get 15 k dominated but lost 3-2 when I had him pitch the 8th .
I just havent seen this range with any other sliders .

Lol ya classic pitching may sound "boring" but its far from it imo! I know dorismary has pitched a no hitter, and I THINK a perfect game using classic pitching, so it can go both ways. I had a no hitter into the 7th with Ubaldo Jimenez once, but never any closer to that thus far. Classic is the way to go imo with these sliders. If using meter, you'll prolly have to tweak the user pitching sliders a little bit.

Couldnt agree more as I gave my example winning 6-0 6ks 1w for billingsly complete game 99 pitches and my next game Lackey was down 5-0 after the 1st and I yanked um in the 3rd with 58 pitches
CONFIDENCE on both sides is Huge in what makes this game tick !
But the best part was on this level with these sliders I never felt cheat or out of the game .

Now if something is really off I mention it to Titus and he looks into it and we go back and fourth.
I have a decent eye for that stuff but My other point is guys this game goes in streaks just like real baseball so dont question every little thing as this isnt a real traditional slider based game .
Sliders are more a reference that you will notice overtime so enjoy the 9-1 games as they just wont last .
So find a happy medium and enjoy the ride !

[dorismary]

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You have baserunner steal ability at 7 cause you get caught to much, that slider is backward, set it at 4 then you won't get caught so often.

Titus has anyone confirmed this ? I have mine on 8 and it seemed to get worse .

Well after getting bombed 9-1 the Yanks beat Tex in Texas 6-2 .
NYY 6-10-0
Tex 2-9-1
CC had 105 pitches in 7 inning and Feldman had 71 in 5 innings down 6-0 .
Great Playoff games so far

[Titus1108]

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Titus has anyone confirmed this ? I have mine on 8 and it seemed to get worse .

Well after getting bombed 9-1 the Yanks beat Tex in Texas 6-2 .
NYY 6-10-0
Tex 2-9-1
CC had 105 pitches in 7 inning and Feldman had 71 in 5 innings down 6-0 .
Great Playoff games so far

I have yet to try it, but I see no problem with it set at 7 personally. I won't bother changing it myself, but others are more than welcome to test it out!

[Braves Fan]

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Well I'm loving these sliders so far. My hitting has improved dramatically but I'm still stuck at about 8 games under the .500 mark. Arrrgggh

Anyway the only issue I'm really having is walks. I'm walking 3 to 4 batters a game and it's frustrating. It seems as if I have no control where my pitches are going. I'll aim for the middle of the plate and the ball will be nowhere near. I'm going to stick with it though as you guys seem to think classing pitching is the way to go with these sliders.

I'm not having any other issues with these sliders really. I see a lot of foul balls and my pitch counts are fine. I think pitch counts are more user dependent than anything. On offense you have to be patient and on the mound you have to set hitters up and not just throw it down the middle every time. I'm getting more than enough walks on offense, getting myself into hitters counts as well.

I've fallen in love with hitting from the pitchers cam with speed pitch turned all the way down. It really is the way to go imo.

[Titus1108]

Re: Titus' Veteran Slider Set

Well I'm loving these sliders so far. My hitting has improved dramatically but I'm still stuck at about 8 games under the .500 mark. Arrrgggh

Anyway the only issue I'm really having is walks. I'm walking 3 to 4 batters a game and it's frustrating. It seems as if I have no control where my pitches are going. I'll aim for the middle of the plate and the ball will be nowhere near. I'm going to stick with it though as you guys seem to think classing pitching is the way to go with these sliders.

I'm not having any other issues with these sliders really. I see a lot of foul balls and my pitch counts are fine. I think pitch counts are more user dependent than anything. On offense you have to be patient and on the mound you have to set hitters up and not just throw it down the middle every time. I'm getting more than enough walks on offense, getting myself into hitters counts as well.

I've fallen in love with hitting from the pitchers cam with speed pitch turned all the way down. It really is the way to go imo.

Love it man! Hitting in the pitchers cam huh? I think I tried it once but just couldn't get used to it lol...I would love to be able to do it but not sure about it. It may be easier to judge balls from strikes in that view though I bet! Glad you're enjoying the sliders tho as many of us now are.

[Braves Fan]

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I couldn't do it at first either but the more I play with it the easier it becomes. The key is pitch speed, with it being so low I get a longer look at the pitch. Also by using guess pitch, if I guess right I know where the pitch is going to end up so I'm rewarded by thinking along with the pitcher. The only thing I'm concerned about is what am I going to do when a run into a pitcher that blocks the plate? Might have to switch to another view for that inning.

I've also noticed bunting is a lot easier from this view. I'm able to pull the bat back on bunts now. I actually walked in my last game with Tim Hudson on a 3-2 count. I saw that pitch was going to be low and away (didn't guess right either) and pulled it back and got a walk. What a great feeling that was.

I love it, now only if I could go on a 10 game winning streak or something to get back to .500, lol. I won about 3 in a row but now I've lost 3 in a row. It seems like I'm just stuck playing .500 ball. If only I hadn't of started 1-10 to start the season, lol

[dorismary]

Re: Titus' Veteran Slider Set

I have yet to try it, but I see no problem with it set at 7 personally. I won't bother changing it myself, but others are more than welcome to test it out!

For those wondering I think the issue might not be the steal success slider but the frequency causing the issue as i had success maxed both ways and me and the cpu havent stole one bag .
Just a guess but maybe Frequency raises awarness of the catcher as i didnt have much of a issue with frequency at 7 like Titus has .

[dorismary]

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Hi Titus ' ,
Just passing on some info from Phoenix as base stealing has become a issue for me but to better understand it read my other Vet thread .

Basically the cpu steal speed is slower than human kind of like how the CPU OF moves faster then Hu .
He suggest lowering all catcher arms by 15 clicks which I dont wanna do .
So im testing Raising arm strength to 5 and Baserunning speed to 6 and then steal sucess to 6 , and I have frequency at 10 for now .
I wouldnt mention this but with the current setup the cpu cant even steal on me with changeups in the dirt .
I never seemed to have this issue earlier as rates were always around 70/30 or a bit higher on success rate but after the patch stealing seem to get a tweak and its hard for me to steal even with good guys and the cpu doesnt have a chance .
You know I play alot and I wouldnt randomly mention this as it just feels the patch did something .
So far my adjustments seem good nothing wierd as the Cpu and Hu need that extra click of speed .

[jkra0512]

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I guess I don't steal that often, but I will give it a closer look. I've noticed that the only time I get a SB is when the CPU throws it high or into the outfield

[Braves Fan]

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I just had a situation where runners were at 1st and 3rd with Prado at the plate. On a 2-1 count Schafer took off and stole 2nd easily. That was with auto baserunning on. I've seen the CPU steal vs me as well.

I'm just not having this issue. Sometimes I get SB's, sometimes I get thrown out.

[Titus1108]

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Im in the same boat BravesFan...i personally am not having an issue with stolen bases. I have 19 with Dexter Fowler, which is like 4th in the NL...he's my only true threat to steal so im happy with 19 thru over 60gms he has played in, and only batting .254 at leadoff.