Predetermined Outcomes

[JT30]

Does anyone have any sliders to prevent the predetermined high or low scoring games?

I did a test with the yankees-red sox, first game of a season. And restarted the season for each game I played. I played 20 games on all-star default, and the outcome was averaging 15+ hits for each time, along with 8+ runs per each team.

This was for all 20 games

I then maxed out all pitching sliders, and minimized all hitting sliders,... played on All Star again and the results were the same. All high scoring, hit fests.

I did this with 10 games on HOF, and it actually got worse.

Anyone have any sliders to stop this? I tried a lot of other combinations on different levels, but no luck.

I tried 5 games on Veteran and then 5 games on Legend, and the results were similar.

[dorismary]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

Does anyone have any sliders to prevent the predetermined high or low scoring games?

I did a test with the yankees-red sox, first game of a season. And restarted the season for each game I played. I played 20 games on all-star default, and the outcome was averaging 15+ hits for each time, along with 8+ runs per each team.

This was for all 20 games

I then maxed out all pitching sliders, and minimized all hitting sliders,... played on All Star again and the results were the same. All high scoring, hit fests.

I did this with 10 games on HOF, and it actually got worse.

Anyone have any sliders to stop this? I tried a lot of other combinations on different levels, but no luck.

I tried 5 games on Veteran and then 5 games on Legend, and the results were similar.

I find CHD sliders very realistic with excellent results win and lose

[BleacherCreature]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

Does anyone have any sliders to prevent the predetermined high or low scoring games?

I did a test with the yankees-red sox, first game of a season. And restarted the season for each game I played. I played 20 games on all-star default, and the outcome was averaging 15+ hits for each time, along with 8+ runs per each team.

This was for all 20 games

I then maxed out all pitching sliders, and minimized all hitting sliders,... played on All Star again and the results were the same. All high scoring, hit fests.

I did this with 10 games on HOF, and it actually got worse.

Anyone have any sliders to stop this? I tried a lot of other combinations on different levels, but no luck.

I tried 5 games on Veteran and then 5 games on Legend, and the results were similar.

Ummmm, aren't most Yankees/Red Sox games hit fests?

[Phoenixmgs]

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I don't think there's anyway to stop those type of games. I've experienced high scoring games happening even if the wind is howling in. If the game wants you to have a slugfest or pitching duel, it'll happen.

[HustlinOwl]

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10 games lol

[dorismary]

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I don't think there's anyway to stop those type of games. I've experienced high scoring games happening even if the wind is howling in. If the game wants you to have a slugfest or pitching duel, it'll happen.

Dead on Phoenix you understand the guts of the game well my friend !
But it doesnt bother me this year cause I still feel like I have chance at any time of course depending on your sliders .
I mean its a overall long term thing something you wont notice in a few games .
I have my sliders less offensive and over time I see less big score games but I still have big games just not as much do to what you said

[twiztiddarkangelman]

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10 games lol

This is really so helpful. But its your usual.

[hitstreak13]

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I don't think there's anyway to stop those type of games. I've experienced high scoring games happening even if the wind is howling in. If the game wants you to have a slugfest or pitching duel, it'll happen.

That made me laugh out loud. Thats one thing I truly dislike about the show. It just feels so scripted. I can't stand when the meter doesnt show up when you pre-load your throw (already gave me an error before it gets there). They really need to change this next year. Maybe pre-loading a throw isn't a good thing after all.

[Phoenixmgs]

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10 games lol

Lol, you don't realize that he played at least 35 games of the SAME game over again on different settings, and the SAME game happened EVERY time.

20+10+5=35

Next time, do your math.

[ltw0303cavs]

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Sorry i dont agree with predetermined, i mean if thats the case then Madden is the text book of predetermined games. As far as slugfests, i think you will look at any slider maker and they say solid hits should be no more than 2, with solid hits at 5 no matter what the level your playing, its like playing with aluminum bats.

[Whitesox]

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I personally would like to see some proof that you played all of those games with the same exact result.

[smokinjoe069]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

Does anyone have any sliders to prevent the predetermined high or low scoring games?

I did a test with the yankees-red sox, first game of a season. And restarted the season for each game I played. I played 20 games on all-star default, and the outcome was averaging 15+ hits for each time, along with 8+ runs per each team.

This was for all 20 games

I then maxed out all pitching sliders, and minimized all hitting sliders,... played on All Star again and the results were the same. All high scoring, hit fests.

I did this with 10 games on HOF, and it actually got worse.

Anyone have any sliders to stop this? I tried a lot of other combinations on different levels, but no luck.

I tried 5 games on Veteran and then 5 games on Legend, and the results were similar.

i have noticed that some series i play seem to be predetermined types of games(pitcher's duel,slugfest,filled with errors etc.), which i thought bothered me at first. then i realised that if that didn't happen all the final scores would be 5-4. i wouldn't find much enjoyment with that. so i learned to except it and anticipate using lots of pitchers in a certain series. after i get a bunch of games played(early june right now) the numbers seem to even themselves out. i know that it's very frustrating when you feel like you're making all the right pitches and they're still hitiing the crap out of you, but it's also rewarding for me to have a pitcher pitch 8 innings and only give up 1 run. has its ups and downs. like real life i guess. of course this is just my opinion and in no way is intended to tell anyone how they should feel or how they should play the game. just have fun and enjoy!!! to me it's the best baseball video game experience i've ever had(playing since 1994). just wanted to share my thoughts. thanks.

[JT30]

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I personally would like to see some proof that you played all of those games with the same exact result.

I have no reason to make this up. Basically, all I did was start a season, and played as the Sox vs. the Yankees.. Same lineup, same pitching matchup (cc vs. beckett), and the results were always a slugfest. Exited the game, started a new season, same roster, played the Sox-Yanks.. and same results.. slugfest

This happened with all the hitting sliders at zero too.

My point is, there seems to be a predetermined outcome already coded for each game.. like Phoenix mentioned, it will either be a low scoring or a monster hit fest

What aggravated me the most was that with all hitting sliders at ZERO... I was able to hit bombs with Scutaro.. 410+ feet. And after checking my notes, in 20 games on default all star level for the same opening game of sox-yankees, I hit 7 bombs with Scutaro

Do you find this normal?

It's very apparent that if the game is "coded" to be a slugfest, it will do anything to make sure that happens.. including letting Scutaro hit 410+ foot bombs.

[JT30]

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10 games lol

It was quite a bit more than 10 games.. maybe you should reread the original post

[jim416]

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You played 50 "test" games, or thereabouts? Whoa.

To say the game scores are predetermined is a bit much, my opinion. The developers make this game for themselves as well as us, and it sort of smacks the fun/intensity out of a game to have it predetermined (or the comeback code that some say is in the game) The scores of my franchise games to date, as neither are true.

9-1
3-2
6-5
5-7
4-0
0-4
5-6
5-10
8-6
5-12
1-3
3-0
4-2
12-6
2-6
0-6
7-5
1-0
5-7
8-5
1-3
9-3
3-4
4-1
3-8

One of the major mistakes made in this game, my opinion only, is relying on other peoples sliders. Unless you have the same gaming talent as that person, their sliders may/will not work for you.

We wanted a tougher game after '08 (talk about a game where you could knock the cover off the ball), we got it with '09 and people ran to prove how good they were on LEGEND and then complained the game was too hard. This year, if you look at the tutorial and the definitions for batting, the game got more refined/complicated (for some....me)

I used to play 08 on HOF, moved down to AS last year, and find myself this year on VET/VET (me/CPU). I don't look at the drop down in levels as a hit on my masculinity, lol, as I've got to make the game work for me. Afterall, that's why there ARE levels and sliders.

The sliders in this game are very "subtle". There is no "0" and there is no "100".

If you really had the almost identical results for each game with the sliders set all the way to the left, on every level, there may be no help for you as a gamer (not being smart, but look at the guys who post that, even on LEGEND, hitting is too easy).

The game is absolutely intense. I actually had a little bit of fun with the below on the supporters forum for this game. Just want to post it, below. I was being light-hearted (sort of), but with all the talk of "comeback" (and now predetermined results), there was no way I should have won this game.
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I used the "Human Comeback Code" for my victory today. (SCEA DO NOT FIX THIS!!!)

Yesterday I was down 5-0 to the Cubs after two and saved the game. As I don't have time for two today I simmed to the 7th inning and it was 5-1 Cubs. Then that cursed comeback code kicked in.

Harris single to CF
Guzman single to RF
Willingham single to RF
Morgan to first on fielders choice
Taveras to first on fielders choice
Zimmerman doubled to RF
Dunn singled to CF
Coste singled to CF
Kennedy grounded out

Now 5-5 With "Old Man" Villone in pitching

Baker walked on a 3-2 pitch (I smell the CPU comeback code sneaking in here, and I want it stopped SCEA!!!!
Lee flied out to LF
Ramirez Ks on a check swing
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Nady walked on a 3-2 pitch
Tyler Walker now pitching (my bullpen is out of gas, all of them)
Soriano Ks chasing a 0-2 slider high and away

5-5 after 7, to the top of the 8th
Harris singles to LF
Guzman singles to RF
Willingham singles to LF
Morgan out on fielders choice
desmond Ks
Zimmerman doubles
Dunn intentionally walked
Coste flys out to LF

up 8-5. Capps can't come in as he's exhausted, same for Bruney, so I go with McDougal.

Soto walks 3-2 pitch (ah, comeback code right around the corner)
Theriot FO to catcher
Fukudome FO to CF
Byrd FO to CF

I go down 1-2-3 in the 9th. I have to leave McDougal (thinking of going with 13 pitchers after today)

It's the bottom of the 9th, so no way I can win the game with the game being fixed by SCEA (Damned you, SCEA!!!!!)

I hit Baker (heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we go, I can smell it)
Lee grounds into a 5-4-3 DP

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Ramirez singles to LF (oh, yeah, two out rally that I can do nothing about!!!!)
Nady grounds out to third.

HUMAN COMEBACK CODE WINS!!!!

Love this game.

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Back to your requests. I really believe that people can get "psyched" out and the minute they see something that looks like a comeback, or predetermined, it effects their game. Look at the thread in the main forum about game "implosions". It seems not even Juan Pierre is allowed to hit a homerun in this game, lol. Guys wanting to break their controllers, have to turn the t.v.s off. That stuff really can effect the game more than any coding problem that may be in it.

Personally I would suggest (if you say the results are pretty much equal on all levels/sliders), starting on VET again (heck, even ROOKIE), work with the sliders all the way to the left, enjoy the game, don't get psyched out and see what happens. I know I'm tense when I have to face Pujols/Holliday, Lee/Ramirez, etc., back to back.

Otherwise the game isn't going to work for you.