Predetermined Outcomes

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Excellent post, Jim!

[JT30]

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I understand Jim, but my post has nothing to do with comeback code.

[ParisB]

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so you manually played all those games over and over?

it seems like you don't want to enjoy the game and was looking for a reason to fault it.

at some point, you have to just play the game and not worry about dissecting the engine to pieces.

All the games were slugfests? ok, did you win all of them? lose all of them? If games 2 to 162 weren't all slugfests, then what's the problem?

Either way, I doubt you played the exact same game over and over like a mad scientist. I have the feeling you saw similar results after 3 games and tweaked your experiment

[jim416]

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I understand Jim, but my post has nothing to do with comeback code.

I didn't say your post did have something to do with comeback code. I used what you said originally and the comeback code as an example and gave you some ideas. You have posted that, as a fact, because of your testing, the scores/hitting is predetermined. It's not, or we'd all see it.

[PsychoBulk]

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so you manually played all those games over and over?

If you count them up hes claimed to have played, manually, for the full 9 innings, the same game over, 40 times.

Sorry to say i simply dont buy it.

[Phoenixmgs]

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i have noticed that some series i play seem to be predetermined types of games(pitcher's duel,slugfest,filled with errors etc.), which i thought bothered me at first. then i realised that if that didn't happen all the final scores would be 5-4. i wouldn't find much enjoyment with that. so i learned to except it and anticipate using lots of pitchers in a certain series.

Obviously, I don't mind having a slugfest here, a pitching duel there. However, what irks me is that specific games no matter how many times you play them are predetermined to be certain types of games. In JT30's game that he replayed, it featured CC vs Beckett and that matchup should be a low scoring game MOST of the time. I have nothing against the game coding that a pitcher having say a 15% chance of having bad stuff. However, I don't like that a certain game no matter what will be high or low scoring. If you just build into the game that pitchers will have % chances of bad games and great games, then slugfests and pitching duels will naturally work themselves into the season; therefore, for certain games, it will line up that both starters will have bad starts. I do not like the fact that certain games will be high scoring every time regardless. In JT30's experiment, I would prefer to see that 1 out every 10 games he replayed was high scoring to show the game doesn't need to single out certain games to be high scoring. Whereas a game featuring 5th starters will be high scoring say 4 out every 10 games, but everyone of those 10 games has the same % chance of being high scoring instead of a 100% chance.

You played 50 "test" games, or thereabouts? Whoa.

To say the game scores are predetermined is a bit much, my opinion. The developers make this game for themselves as well as us, and it sort of smacks the fun/intensity out of a game to have it predetermined (or the comeback code that some say is in the game) The scores of my franchise games to date, as neither are true.

I think you misread what JT30's experiment was. He played the 1st game of the season at least 35 times. Not that he played the first 35 games of the season and each game was high scoring. Certain games are predetermined to be high scoring or a pitching duel no matter what; the pitchers, the hitters, the wind, etc. I like having a pitching duel and slugfest, but at times, due to this predetermined-ness, certain games feel painfully artificial.

[Phoenixmgs]

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If you count them up hes claimed to have played, manually, for the full 9 innings, the same game over, 40 times.

Sorry to say i simply dont buy it.

I did this last year a few times where I played a certain game 3 times or so just to see if my gut feeling was right. I didn't need to play 40 games to conclude that games where predetermined. There are just some games that feel extremely artificial, where you're constantly getting hits even though you're not even taking good swings.

[jim416]

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He played the 1st game of the season at least 35 times.

I didn't miss it at all. The scores, as the thread title indicates, are not predetermined. If you want to believe that.....okay.

He's also saying that it doesn't matter what level, what slider set, etc. If that was the case, and I'm serious, I'd hang the game up (talking about what I'd do).

[JT30]

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If you count them up hes claimed to have played, manually, for the full 9 innings, the same game over, 40 times.

Sorry to say i simply dont buy it.

You don't buy it? lol. I have had the game for 2 months now. I started a season, and didnt like how the game was playing with the sliders, so I restarted the season over and over again and played the sox-yankees matchup over and over again until I basically had a normalized set of stats, based on the pitching matchup and based on the lineups.

Why is that so hard to believe?

I played 20 games on DEFAULT ALL STAR.. and every single game was high scoring, with 8+ runs and 12-20+ hits on each side.

Games played out differently in that sometimes I scored and the CPU scored a lot of runs, early.. or maybe during the mid or late innings.

Regardless of how the game played out, the outcome was a slugfest.

Maybe someone can play a few games on all star default, with the sox and yankees in game 1 of a new season and report back with results. I also played 3 games yesterday with the latest SCEA rosters and the outcome was the same as when I played with older versions of rosters. Maybe I have a different copy of the game than everyone else, or drank too much beer while playing. I dont know.

Of the 20 games on default, I won 9 and lost 11... but when each game is a slugfest, that makes me wonder.

And it also made me wonder how I hit 7 HRs with Scutaro when I had all the hitting sliders minimized. It would only make sense for him to hit 7 hrs in 20 games when the computer decided that series of games were supposed to be hit fests.

[JT30]

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I didn't miss it at all. The scores, as the thread title indicates, are not predetermined. If you want to believe that.....okay.

He's also saying that it doesn't matter what level, what slider set, etc. If that was the case, and I'm serious, I'd hang the game up (talking about what I'd do).

I never said the scores were predetermined.. I am starting to believe that the kind of game played is predetermined... low scoring, slug fest, error fest, blowout, etc

[Whitesox]

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Wow jim, class post.

[BIG CAROLINA]

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You don't buy it? lol. I have had the game for 2 months now. I started a season, and didnt like how the game was playing with the sliders, so I restarted the season over and over again and played the sox-yankees matchup over and over again until I basically had a normalized set of stats, based on the pitching matchup and based on the lineups.

Why is that so hard to believe?

I played 20 games on DEFAULT ALL STAR.. and every single game was high scoring, with 8+ runs and 12-20+ hits on each side.

Games played out differently in that sometimes I scored and the CPU scored a lot of runs, early.. or maybe during the mid or late innings.

Regardless of how the game played out, the outcome was a slugfest.

Maybe someone can play a few games on all star default, with the sox and yankees in game 1 of a new season and report back with results. I also played 3 games yesterday with the latest SCEA rosters and the outcome was the same as when I played with older versions of rosters. Maybe I have a different copy of the game than everyone else, or drank too much beer while playing. I dont know.

Of the 20 games on default, I won 9 and lost 11... but when each game is a slugfest, that makes me wonder.

And it also made me wonder how I hit 7 HRs with Scutaro when I had all the hitting sliders minimized. It would only make sense for him to hit 7 hrs in 20 games when the computer decided that series of games were supposed to be hit fests.

Honestly, why even try to defend yourself to someone who does not believe you. If he does not then he does not, why even post that? Some guys treat this game like it's their 1st born.

[jim416]

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I never said the scores were predetermined.. I am starting to believe that the kind of game played is predetermined... low scoring, slug fest, error fest, blowout, etc

I'm not buying that [scores] scoring in this game is pre determined. If you believe that it's going to be a placebo for you every time you crank up the game. I (and I'm talking about me, not you) would put this game on the shelf, if I believed that scoring was predetermined. Same with the comeback code that is introduced from time to time. I wouldn't be playing this game, period.

You've said that no matter what level/what slider......I wouldn't be wasting my time with this game if it were me (and that's not with sarcasm, but if you believe this to be true....).

I did offer some suggestions.

[jim416]

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Honestly, why even try to defend yourself to someone who does not believe you. If he does not then he does not, why even post that? Some guys treat this game like it's their 1st born.

That's really not necessary. He's saying it's a fact. Nobody is saying they don't "believe" what he did. They disagree with the results. You know, there's also a gamers ability that is in the equation. These forums/threads should be for both sides of an opinion. People read these threads for "objective" thoughts, and to interject that a disagreement is some type of love affair......? You should take your own advice and perhaps, stay out of the discussion if that's you're input.

Nobody's mad, nobody's upset.

[countryboy]

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my question would be...did you play game 2 of the series and find similar results(predetermined outcome)? What about game 3? Game 97?

The fact that one game was always a slugfest, however many times you played it, does little more than raise an eyebrow. It doesn't prove that the game has "predetermined outcomes".

Play random games throughout the season 40 times over, or whatever it is you did, and then see if you get these same "predetermined outcomes". Until then its nothing more than an odd occurence, not a fact.