Predetermined Outcomes

[ParisB]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

I just started a test season with the Twins and wasn't feeling the first game. Lost 11-3 and was getting pounded left and right. I quit and restarted, won 5-3.

Case closed

[countryboy]

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you're supposed to test the Yanks/Sox with CC vs Beckett on the mound.

[ParisB]

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you're supposed to test the Yanks/Sox with CC vs Beckett on the mound.

i'd rather play and enjoy the games instead of play a controlled 40 games in a vacuum to justify reasons of why i don't want to enjoy it

[JT30]

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my question would be...did you play game 2 of the series and find similar results(predetermined outcome)? What about game 3? Game 97?

The fact that one game was always a slugfest, however many times you played it, does little more than raise an eyebrow. It doesn't prove that the game has "predetermined outcomes".

Play random games throughout the season 40 times over, or whatever it is you did, and then see if you get these same "predetermined outcomes". Until then its nothing more than an odd occurence, not a fact.

20 games on all star default is not enough to see a pattern?

[JT30]

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i'd rather play and enjoy the games instead of play 40 games to justify reasons of why i don't want to enjoy it

Never said I didn't enjoy the game Paris. Not sure where you got that from? I mentioned something I was seeing based on a decent sample of games.

When I was testing sliders with the first game of the season, I noticed after a few games of testing, I was getting high scoring after high scoring game, with a ton of hits included.

I was testing sliders to see if I could normalize the stats and over a string of games.. repeated the same pitchers, same park, same lineup.. etc.

Why is that a bad thing if I am looking for realistic stats over a course of a season?

Do you think Scutaro hitting 7 dingers within 20 games is normal with all the hitting sliders minimized?

[countryboy]

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20 games on all star default is not enough to see a pattern?

For the one game...maybe...but for the game as a whole...nope. As I said, for me, its just an odd occurence. To provide significant proof that this is indeed an issue with the game, I would play random games throughout the season using the same slider settings and skill levels, and play 20 games of each to see if they provide the same results, meaning the game does have predetermined outcomes.

How do you know its not just the one game that is flawed with this "predetermined outcome"?

[countryboy]

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Why is that a bad thing if I am looking for realistic stats over a course of a season?

How would predetermined outcomes effect the ability to obtain realistic stats over the course of a season? If anything, I would say that predetermined outcomes provides realistic stats over the course of season because the game "balances out the hits so they add up correctly in the end.

[JT30]

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For the one game...maybe...but for the game as a whole...nope. As I said, for me, its just an odd occurence. To provide significant proof that this is indeed an issue with the game, I would play random games throughout the season using the same slider settings and skill levels, and play 20 games of each to see if they provide the same results, meaning the game does have predetermined outcomes.

Yes I see what you are saying, but that would be next to impossible during the course of a season because of the variables of injuries, fatigue, etc.

I played 20 games with a clean slate so to speak. So based on what I have seen, you dont find it odd that beckett-cc matchup, first game of the season, resulted in a slugfest for 20 games on all star default?

[ParisB]

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Never said I didn't enjoy the game Paris. Not sure where you got that from? I mentioned something I was seeing based on a decent sample of games.

When I was testing sliders with the first game of the season, I noticed after a few games of testing, I was getting high scoring after high scoring game, with a ton of hits included.

I was testing sliders to see if I could normalize the stats and over a string of games.. repeated the same pitchers, same park, same lineup.. etc.

Why is that a bad thing if I am looking for realistic stats over a course of a season?

Do you think Scutaro hitting 7 dingers within 20 games is normal with all the hitting sliders minimized?

But he hasn't hit 7 homeruns over 20 games. He hit 1 homerun in a game (7 times) that you played 20 times over

I can almost bet the house that if you played the first actual 20 games of your season, that Scutaro won't have 7 homeruns

if everybody is bored in this thread, we can just all play 2 games of the same setup and post results with screenshots

I'm down

post the lineups and scenario

[JT30]

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But he hasn't hit 7 homeruns over 20 games. He hit 1 homerun in a game (7 times) that you played 20 times over

I can almost bet the house that if you played the first actual 20 games of your season, that Scutaro won't have 7 homeruns

if everybody is bored in this thread, we can just all play 2 games of the same setup and post results with screenshots

I'm down

post the lineups and scenario

lol i know it was a game I played 20 times over. But why is Scutaro hitting bombs off CC in 7 out of 20 games with hitting sliders at zero?

[countryboy]

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Yes I see what you are saying, but that would be next to impossible during the course of a season because of the variables of injuries, fatigue, etc.

I played 20 games with a clean slate so to speak. So based on what I have seen, you dont find it odd that beckett-cc matchup, first game of the season, resulted in a slugfest for 20 games on all star default?

injuries, fatigue and the like would have no say in if a game is predetermined in the manner you say its implement/effecting the game. So long as each game is played using the same exact sliders, skill level, starting pitchers, relief pitchers, and lineup...then if predetermined outcomes truly exist, the game should play out exactly the same each time, in regards to slugfest, low scoring, etc....



And I've said twice now that its an odd occurence, but it doesn't prove that predetermined outcomes exist for the game as a whole...only for that one game in particular.

[JT30]

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How do you know its not just the one game that is flawed with this "predetermined outcome"?

Exactly.. this is what Phoenix mentioned that there seems to be an artificial feel to games and I am finding this to be true.

In this case, not matter what I do, game 1 of the yanks-sox series at the start of a new season with cc-beckett, results in a slugfest.

My sample didnt conclude that this would happen in EVERY game of the season.. but whether its the first game or last game, or 80th game or whatever.. there seems to be instances of when the game has an artificial feel, and no matter what you do, the results will reflect on this "feel"

In this case, its the first game of the season for me

[ParisB]

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lol i know it was a game I played 20 times over. But why is Scutaro hitting bombs off CC in 7 out of 20 games with hitting sliders at zero?

because that's what happened over those 20 games

play the same game 100 times

play it 162 times

baseball is a game of streaks anyway. you see "anomalies" every day, every week, every season etc.

[jim416]

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Another variable, I would think, is the ability of each gamer and his controller, but that seems to be thrown out the window as the tests were supposedly done on a wide array of levels/sliders.

Based on that, my opinion, no sense in even playing the game (again not being smart, but I wouldn't).

The guys at SCEA develop this game for themselves too. They are as big of fans of the game as we are. (bugs in the game aside, as they don't do the Q@A), they are going to develop a game where scoring is predetermined???? It makes no sense.

I'm not about to test this.

[ParisB]

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p.s.- maybe Scutaro has CC's number. It happens in baseball. There was a time where Willie Bloomquist hit .475 against the Angels over a 30 game sample, and it didn't matter if it was Lackey or Joe Blow minor leaguer. When Rex Hudler was a player, he also had a stretch where he would hit Randy Johnson really well.

Also, in real life the Brewers have the Pirates' number. Look at their stats from their last 20 games they faced off each other. It's ridiculous. It screams pre-determined results, and this is real life.

Maybe in the virtual world of The Show, Scutaro has CC's number and hits him well. It's not the end of the world.

Just keep playing and ignore the 1st game. Pretend you only played it once and chalk up the results and chug along