Predetermined Outcomes

[budsticky]

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For what it's worth I have a Yankees franchise going. I just looked back at my frist game and it was a 10-6 loss. I don't remember the hit totals, but I do know Sabathia and Beckett were the pitchers.

[Titus1108]

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For what it's worth I have a Yankees franchise going. I just looked back at my frist game and it was a 10-6 loss. I don't remember the hit totals, but I do know Sabathia and Beckett were the pitchers.

As I stated in my last post, it COULD be a glitch with that was certain game for some reason, but doubtful. Even if it was, it's not a game killer.

[bamaboy082]

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I can't believe someone spent all that time "testing" this game. Dude, you need to get out of the basement and rejoin society. The bottom line is it's a freaking VIDEO GAME. I guess I just don't understand what some people are expecting when they buy these games. Are you the type of person who goes to the movies and mumbles under his breath about how the cool action scene would be impossible in real life? Like I said it's a video game and it's not going to replicate real life...ever. No matter how many hours are spent tweaking sliders and changing settings. I guess I'm in the minority here but I just play these games to have fun.

[Jelek11]

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What a silly thread.... Also for what it's worth the first time I started a Yankees franchise CC went 7.0 with 1 run allowed and 7k's, Beckett went 7.0 with 10k's and gave up 3. Damaso .1 + Joba .2 in the eighth. Mariano shuts the door in the ninth, and that's the ballgame. 4 runs scored total.

[twiztiddarkangelman]

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I to played this game one 4 different times in early March before the new rosters came out, and all of them were high scoring games. I thought it was odd at the time and I was a little annoyed by it. I played the game on HOF default settings so I can't say if slider adjustments would have made a difference. I do know that the rest of the games seemed ok. In the end I ended up starting the franchise over again and simming game one and letting fate determine the out come of that one game.

[Phoenixmgs]

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JT30 is right, and if you can't see it, you're blind. Certain games will be slugfests or pitching duels no matter the pitching matchup, the lineups, the wind, etc. Certain games here and there feel like the pitchers constantly have maxed out confidence or zero confidence; either everything you hit is softly hit or everything you hit finds a hole no matter if you put a good swing on the ball or not. This happened in 09 as well. I even think it happens in bunches at times as well. In my divisional series in 09, every game was a pitching duel. Then, in the league championship series, every game was a slugfest with scores literally of 16-14 as the norm for the series. I won the series by scoring 7 runs in the bottom of the 9th when I was down by 5. Each game was just ridiculous, whoever had the last at-bat won. I never got to play the world series because my PS3 YLODed.

[Phoenixmgs]

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Posting on my PS3, you can only enter in so many characters.

I'd much rather have the game have certain starts where a pitcher just doesn't have it. For example, program the game to have a pitcher's breaking balls hang very often (reduce the break, he just can't find his curve) or have the pitcher have poor control (like he just can't find his release point). Or something along those lines (sinkerballer just not getting his normal downward motion and not getting grounders) so that you have to make him pay for his mistakes or be patient and make him walk himself into trouble, that's how slugfests happen in real life. On the opposite end, every pitcher (even 5th starters) are pretty much impossible to hit on days when they are constantly locating and have a great feel for their breaking pitches, so have the game bump up the pitcher's attributes for his pitches for that game. I think that would be much better than the game literally handing you free hits on bad swings or punishing you for great swings.

[chuckm1961]

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Let's say for sake of argument that the AI is set up so that some games are higher-scoring than others.

If so, why the heck is that a problem?

1) If results were based 100% on user-input, player ratings would not matter at all. And luck/chance would not matter at all.

2) Just like in real baseball, there is a lot of variety in baseball. Deal with it. I LOVE the fact that my fifth starter might go out and pitch a brilliant game, and my ace might get shelled. If that were not true, I would get bored quick.

[HustlinOwl]

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This is really so helpful. But its your usual.

actually not my usual

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-training.html

[HustlinOwl]

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Lol, you don't realize that he played at least 35 games of the SAME game over again on different settings, and the SAME game happened EVERY time.

20+10+5=35

Next time, do your math.

If it is so predetermined then call up the entire double or Single A roster for either team against their MLB club and post your findings

[jim416]

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JT30 is right, and if you can't see it, you're blind.....Each game was just ridiculous, whoever had the last at-bat won.

Ridiculous was this.

If it is so predetermined then call up the entire double or Single A roster for either team against their MLB club and post your findings

Watch. Someone will actually do this.

[Phoenixmgs]

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If results were based 100% on user-input, player ratings would not matter at all. And luck/chance would not matter at all.

My solution doesn't involve the game being entirely based on user input, it was based on giving penalties and bonuses to the pitcher's attribrutes when the pitcher just doesn't have it or when the pitcher does have it respectively.

[JT30]

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If so, why the heck is that a problem?

I guess its a problem to me if there isn't a difference between difficulty levels and slider adjustments.

I basically played the first game of the season over and over again because I was trying to get difficulty levels and sliders adjusted so

1) I would be challenged; and 2) there was a realistic stat distribution

I changed levels, sliders, settings... everything.

No matter what I did, the result was the same.. a slugfest.

So whats the point of even playing the game if you can't adjust it to your skill level?

After my "test", I guess you could say, (even though the intent was for me to get a decent skill level and slider setting set for my season... not testing the game to find faults), I came to the conclusionm that no matter what I did, there was a predetermined flow of the game.

I guess thats what my problem is.

I highly doubt, Phoenix and I are the only 2 people who have seen this and believe it's an issue. And I'm not talking about the 20 games with cc vs beckett.. It could be any game.

There are some people here, who have such a hard on for the game, that he/she automatically refutes any issue that may be apparent to another gamer.

[chuckm1961]

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I guess its a problem to me if there isn't a difference between difficulty levels and slider adjustments.

Of course there's a difference between difficulty levels and slider adjustments. It may not be as pronounced (large) as you assume or want, but it's there.

Let me spell this out very, very simply. There is a difference between difficulty levels and slider adjustments. At the same time, there is a certain amount of randomness built into the game. Why is this difficult to grasp?

Thus, for example, your ace could get shelled playing on All-Star one day (because the coding 'rolls the dice' and the guy gets rocked), and then the next day you could play on HOF and pitch a no-hitter with your worst pitcher (unlikely, but possible!).

Again, why is that bad?

The big picture that's being missed here (cue Richard Dawkins speaking about evolution!) is that these game-to-game variations will EVEN OUT OVER THE LONG HAUL. You can't look at one game or one week in isolation, you have to wait a WHOLE LOT LONGER.

Sorry ... don't have a Fanboy approach to the game, you'll find plenty of criticisms I've made if you do a search... but do have a passion for logical thinking.