Predetermined Outcomes

[countryboy]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

Exactly.. this is what Phoenix mentioned that there seems to be an artificial feel to games and I am finding this to be true.

In this case, not matter what I do, game 1 of the yanks-sox series at the start of a new season with cc-beckett, results in a slugfest.

My sample didnt conclude that this would happen in EVERY game of the season.. but whether its the first game or last game, or 80th game or whatever.. there seems to be instances of when the game has an artificial feel, and no matter what you do, the results will reflect on this "feel"

In this case, its the first game of the season for me

Ok, if thats the case, then what triggers it? It couldn't be random...as some code would have to kick in to make this "artificial feel" take place. The code wouldn't just randomly decide to take effect without something triggering it.

So either every game has a predetermined outcome, or something is triggering this "predetermined outcome" code to take effect, or its nothing at all, but some odd occurence.

[JT30]

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p.s.- maybe Scutaro has CC's number. It happens in baseball. There was a time where Willie Bloomquist hit .475 against the Angels over a 30 game sample, and it didn't matter if it was Lackey or Joe Blow minor leaguer. When Rex Hudler was a player, he also had a stretch where he would hit Randy Johnson really well.

Also, in real life the Brewers have the Pirates' number. Look at their stats from their last 20 games they faced off each other. It's ridiculous. It screams pre-determined results, and this is real life.

Maybe in the virtual world of The Show, Scutaro has CC's number and hits him well. It's not the end of the world.

Just keep playing and ignore the 1st game. Pretend you only played it once and chalk up the results and chug along

Yes I understand that. But Scutaro hitting HRs at an alarming rate off of CC, doesnt necessarily mean the outcome of the game is going to be a slugfest. I pointed out Scutaro's success because of the hitting sliders minimized and the fact that I was still getting 15 hits a game and scoring 8 runs off CC in the 20 game sample. And the CPU did the same against me as well.

[ParisB]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

Yes I understand that. But Scutaro hitting HRs at an alarming rate off of CC, doesnt necessarily mean the outcome of the game is going to be a slugfest. I pointed out Scutaro's success because of the hitting sliders minimized and the fact that I was still getting 15 hits a game and scoring 8 runs off CC in the 20 game sample. And the CPU did the same against me as well.

well the slider issue is a whole other discussion

they're not extreme anyway...you can also crank them up and come out with 2 runs on 5 hits.

[JT30]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

Ok, if thats the case, then what triggers it? It couldn't be random...as some code would have to kick in to make this "artificial feel" take place. The code wouldn't just randomly decide to take effect without something triggering it.

So either every game has a predetermined outcome, or something is triggering this "predetermined outcome" code to take effect, or its nothing at all, but some odd occurence.

Yes exactly.. thats why I posted this to see if sliders could remedy it. Thats all

This has nothing to do with CPU comeback or rubberband stuff
This has nothing to do with me liking or disliking the game
This has nothing to do with me trying to find "ways of not liking the game"

I was simply working on my own set of sliders, and I tested them based on game 1 of the season. Same pitchers, same lineup, etc.

I was finding the results were the same (slugfest) whether I had all star default or various settings throughout the skill levels

It's not going to make me "not wanna play" anymore, I was trying to see if other people witnessed anything similar, and if they just took it for what it was, or had a slider variation that helped mitigate the results.

[JT30]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

well the slider issue is a whole other discussion

they're not extreme anyway...you can also crank them up and come out with 2 runs on 5 hits.

Yep I know.. was just seeing if anyone was seeing games where (no matter what you did), the results were extreme as mine.

Thats all

[PsychoBulk]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

So JT, you are saying that any of us, any one of us, should we play the same one off game as you 20 times, will never see a pitchers duel, that it will always be a slugfest?

Am i really reading this correctly?

[dickey1331]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

Maybe youre not good at pitching and really good at hitting. Have you played a low scoring game yet?

[JT30]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

So JT, you are saying that any of us, any one of us, should we play the same one off game as you 20 times, will never see a pitchers duel, that it will always be a slugfest?

Am i really reading this correctly?

If you wanna try it, go ahead. I am telling you what happened to me when I did this during season mode. Game 1 of the yanks-sox, beckett vs cc.. same lineups, etc.

Not sure how it would work in exhibition, but it happened to me during the season mode.

I never said it would happen to anyone else. It bothered me enough on all star default, so i fooled around with sliders on different levels and noticed the same pattern of events... a slugfest

[countryboy]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

So JT, you are saying that any of us, any one of us, should we play the same one off game as you 20 times, will never see a pitchers duel, that it will always be a slugfest?

Am i really reading this correctly?

no apparently the claim is that the game randomly implements a code that induces high/low scoring games no matter what the user does, meaning that slider adjustments and skill level do not matter.

And since this is a "random code", any discussion of this topic, in terms of finding a fix, are pretty much pointless since there isn't a trigger that causes this to happen, thus allowing the user to adjust sliders, or edit attributes to accomendate said code.

[JT30]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

Maybe youre not good at pitching and really good at hitting. Have you played a low scoring game yet?

Yes i did against KC a few games later. Beckett vs. Greinke Final was 3 to 1. Less than 10 hits on each side.

I am not disputing that there are varying results throughout the season...I am wondering about games where it seems like the flow of the game was already decided before it even started

[JT30]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

no apparently the claim is that the game randomly implements a code that induces high/low scoring games no matter what the user does, meaning that slider adjustments and skill level do not matter.

And since this is a "random code", any discussion of this topic, in terms of finding a fix, are pretty much pointless since there isn't a trigger that causes this to happen, thus allowing the user to adjust sliders, or edit attributes to accomendate said code.

Right, thats why I mentioned Scutaro still hitting bombs when I had hitting sliders on zero.

I understand sliders dont vary much in their settings, so I guess the real "test" would be if you zero out all the hitting attributes of each player and still get a slugfest.

Right?

[countryboy]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

Right, thats why I mentioned Scutaro still hitting bombs when I had hitting sliders on zero.

I understand sliders dont vary much in their settings, so I guess the real "test" would be if you zero out all the hitting attributes of each player and still get a slugfest.

Right?

I guess that could prove a single occurence of predetermined outcome, but even if you find it, how are you going to find a fix? You asked for sliders that eliminate this from happening, but if you don't know whats making it happen, how do you know any sliders are going to fix it? And unless you plan on playing games in your season multiple times, how are you going to know if you experienced it or not?

Seems to me, you're wasting an awful lot of time over nothing, if you are indeed trying to find a slider set to fix a problem that you have no way of knowing how to fix.

[JT30]

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I guess that could prove a single occurence of predetermined outcome, but even if you find it, how are you going to find a fix? You asked for sliders that eliminate this from happening, but if you don't know whats making it happen, how do you know any sliders are going to fix it? And unless you plan on playing games in your season multiple times, how are you going to know if you experienced it or not?

Seems to me, you're wasting an awful lot of time over nothing, if you are indeed trying to find a slider set to fix a problem that you have no way of knowing how to fix.

I guess sliders mean much of nothing then.. no matter what setting.

That sucks

[countryboy]

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I guess sliders mean much of nothing then.. no matter what setting.

That sucks

Thats not what I'm saying.

You're asking for a slider set that would eliminate a random code that induces high/low scoring games. You said that you lowered to 0 I believe, and even then you are seeing this predetermined outcome code. That should tell you that there is no slider setting that eliminates this code, because its a random code that artificially determines a games outcome without regard for human input.

Sliders do effect the game, at least I'm guessing they do as I see numerous of varying slider sets that people are using to help them enjoy the game more. Personally, I've never adjusted slider outside the pitching speed slider when I first got the game to help me ease back into baseball video gaming mode. And I know for a fact that, that slider in particular works. The others..I honestly don't know.

But again, if this is a random code that artifically determines the outcome of the game, there is not a single slider set that is going to solve this issue. The only fix would be to find what is triggering the code and then working from there. And as I said, unless you plan on playing your season/franchise games multiple times to see if a pattern exists, you will have no way of knowing if the game is predetermining the outcome or not.

[jim416]

Re: Predetermined Outcomes

This has nothing to do with CPU comeback or rubberband stuff

I wasn't talking about the comeback code exclusively, if you'll read my post again.

Everyone would be seeing what you are seeing and these boards would be on fire if it were a fact, like you have presented it.

The levels/sliders DO work.