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  • Heroesandvillains
    MVP
    • May 2009
    • 5974
    #46
    Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

    Originally posted by Snake.Plissken
    I doubt consistency is going to make spotting fastballs harder, which would be my goal. I already feel breaking balls are fair as now I'm scared to hang them and I'll also throw a wild pitch if I go to low with them, I feel proper balance is there.

    ---

    For power, I think 4 is just right for Legend. Solid Hits may be the answer for curbing your HR numbers as well, TNK & Psycho have that at 2 and they are on AS. On Legend, that would cripple the offenses though. I guess, lowering power or solid hits a notch could give the same results. I guess if you feel overall that balls are being hit with too much authority, lower solid hits. If you just feel there's too many HRs, lower power.
    I see what you're saying now about your pitching issues. If you're comfortable with your wildness on breaking pitches, than yeah, lowering consistency will impact those too. I think it still may be worth a try. Why not, right?

    Psychobulk uses his sliders on HOF. TNK is in AS. I haven't seen any of Psycho's stats as of yet. Has he posted any? I'm curious to see them. He used to post his numbers all the time a few years ago.

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      • Jgainsey
        I can't feel it
        • Mar 2007
        • 3361
        #47
        Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

        I just finished a game with out hitting a HR!!!

        And I was shut out!!

        And... their wasn't a 30mph wind blowing in either, lol.

        This game was breath of fresh air. Pitching for both teams was very good, with very few balls being hit hard for either team. I had a few chances to scratch some runs across, but I wasn't able to come up in the clutch. The CPU did have 1 HR late, but it was one of the best meatballs I've ever served up.


        Box Score
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        Last edited by Jgainsey; 03-23-2011, 10:56 PM.
        Now, more than ever

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          • Snake.Plissken
            Banned
            • Mar 2011
            • 85
            #48
            Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

            Originally posted by heroesandvillians
            I think it still may be worth a try. Why not, right?

            Psychobulk uses his sliders on HOF. TNK is in AS. I haven't seen any of Psycho's stats as of yet. Has he posted any? I'm curious to see them. He used to post his numbers all the time a few years ago.
            I'll give consistency 0 a shot to see if fastballs can be more random.

            Yeah, you're right TNK is on AS and Pycho is on HOF. I don't see how they could both use the same set as solid hits is different on the different levels unlike last year. Most of the sliders are basically global but not too where you can just switch out difficulty levels and/or interfaces and expect the same results. Also, one uses Classic pitching while one uses the Meter; for using Classic, you have to set up your pitching sliders the same way you do for the CPU; the meter I'm assuming is similar to Analog where you should be able to hit spots a lot better.

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              • sooner1
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 1097
                #49
                Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                Im going to give your sliders a shot. Just wondering if you guys use guess pitch. I don't

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                  • Jgainsey
                    I can't feel it
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 3361
                    #50
                    Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                    Originally posted by sooner1
                    Im going to give your sliders a shot. Just wondering if you guys use guess pitch. I don't
                    I don't use guess pitch either.
                    Now, more than ever

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                      • DJ
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 17756
                        #51
                        Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                        Jgainsey, man I don't know how you are hitting with Analog on HOF. I've been using Veteran and struggling to get more than 6 hits a game. I like the mechanic (aside from moving the stick to the left or right based on pitch location), but it's looking like for Franchise I will have to ride with Timing.

                        H&V, what are your sliders looking like currently?
                        Currently Playing:
                        MLB The Show 25 (PS5)

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                          • Heroesandvillains
                            MVP
                            • May 2009
                            • 5974
                            #52
                            Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                            Originally posted by Jgainsey
                            I just finished a game with out hitting a HR!!!

                            And I was shut out!!

                            And... their wasn't a 30mph wind blowing in either, lol.

                            This game was breath of fresh air. Pitching for both teams was very good, with very few balls being hit hard for either team. I had a few chances to scratch some runs across, but I wasn't able to come up in the clutch. The CPU did have 1 HR late, but it was one of the best meatballs I've ever served up.


                            Box Score
                            Spoiler
                            Nice. I'm anxious to see where your games go from here.

                            I was thinking; perhaps if your offensive greatness doesn't fully subside moving forward, you 'do as the slider descriptions recommend,' and match your User Contact with CPU Control? I've traditionally always followed that rule of SCEA's from a hitting standpoint. I've played this series enough to relatively understand how these two sliders work independently, but the correlation between these two sliders must be important enough, seeing that it's the only two SCEA recommends matching. I wouldn't do it now or anything, just saying it may be worth exploring if your AVG and such are too high.

                            Hey...what happened to your strikeouts? From your starters, mainly. I think your K numbers do look pretty good, though. Just curious.

                            Anyway, that was a pretty promising game, so I would just stick with it until Knight's rosters, and we can compare further notes then. I love getting shutout!!!

                            I'll post my impressions from my game last night in my response to DJ.
                            Last edited by Heroesandvillains; 03-24-2011, 11:12 AM.

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                              • Heroesandvillains
                                MVP
                                • May 2009
                                • 5974
                                #53
                                Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                Originally posted by DJ
                                Jgainsey, man I don't know how you are hitting with Analog on HOF. I've been using Veteran and struggling to get more than 6 hits a game. I like the mechanic (aside from moving the stick to the left or right based on pitch location), but it's looking like for Franchise I will have to ride with Timing.

                                H&V, what are your sliders looking like currently?
                                My sliders a virtually identical to Jgainsey's, with these changes:

                                User Control 5
                                CPU Power 5
                                CPU Control 5
                                CPU Consistency 2
                                Stolen Base Ability 4

                                And I think that's it. I'll check back and update this post if I missed anything.
                                Last edited by Heroesandvillains; 03-24-2011, 12:50 PM.

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                                  • Heroesandvillains
                                    MVP
                                    • May 2009
                                    • 5974
                                    #54
                                    Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                    Originally posted by sooner1
                                    Im going to give your sliders a shot. Just wondering if you guys use guess pitch. I don't
                                    I do. Usually only with two strikes, and not even generally that much.

                                    Maybe 5-10 times a game, but only when I have a hunch as the penalty for guessing wrong is pretty steep.

                                    Generally, it's a great tool for getting pitcher's to stop painting in hitter's counts. If I'm seeing change after change after change on the black, in hitter's counts to righties, I'll guess it a few times and the CPU will stop throwing it as much.

                                    Is it cheating? I don't think so. Some may disagree, but my stats say otherwise.

                                    It also keeps my K's down to a realistic clip. But again, if you guess wrong, you're almost worse off than had you not guessed at all.

                                    Just my 2 cents.

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                                      • Jgainsey
                                        I can't feel it
                                        • Mar 2007
                                        • 3361
                                        #55
                                        Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                        Just had my first loss with the Braves in Milwaukee. And I'm now on an 18 inning homerless streak, which is great.

                                        The actual score of this one should haven been 7-1 instead of 9-1, but I had a ball go right through Heyward when the animation didn't kick in. Other than that, everything else was good. I'm always happy to give up HR's to the CPU, as I've always unrealistically lead the league in that department with The Show.

                                        I really like errors up at 7 so far. It's just nice to see the fielders bobbling the ball like humans, and hopefully I'll start to see a small spike in errors.

                                        Pitching with Mike Minor was much harder than with any of the Braves' other starters. I was just about to pull him in the 2nd inning, but then I fell into a grove with him and struck out 5 in a row.

                                        I still made put a fair share of 'suberb' contact balls into play, but most of them found fielders.. instead of the fan in the outfield. I almost feel silly now for being on the verge of hitting the panic button, lol. I'm only 9 games in, but I can already see most of stats starting to normalize. It doesn't have anything to do with sliders, but this game just does a great job of capturing the ups and downs of baseball.

                                        It just goes to show you that you need at least 15-20 games before you even start to think about substantial slider changes.

                                        Here's the Box Score:

                                        Spoiler
                                        Now, more than ever

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                                          • Jgainsey
                                            I can't feel it
                                            • Mar 2007
                                            • 3361
                                            #56
                                            Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                            Originally posted by heroesandvillians
                                            Nice. I'm anxious to see where your games go from here.

                                            I was thinking; perhaps if your offensive greatness doesn't fully subside moving forward, you 'do as the slider descriptions recommend,' and match your User Contact with CPU Control? I've traditionally always followed that rule of SCEA's from a hitting standpoint. I've played this series enough to relatively understand how these two sliders work independently, but the correlation between these two sliders must be important enough, seeing that it's the only two SCEA recommends matching. I wouldn't do it now or anything, just saying it may be worth exploring if your AVG and such are too high.

                                            Hey...what happened to your strikeouts? From your starters, mainly. I think your K numbers do look pretty good, though. Just curious.

                                            Anyway, that was a pretty promising game, so I would just stick with it until Knight's rosters, and we can compare further notes then. I love getting shutout!!!

                                            I'll post my impressions from my game last night in my response to DJ.
                                            I've definitely thought about the contact/control relationship, but I still have enough swings and misses to make me feel comfortable with contact at default. Though it will definitely be my first move if my average stays up too high.

                                            As far as my starter's strikeouts go, I think alot of it just has to do with the starters that I've been using lately. Most of them have average or below average K/9 ratings in the game, so I'm not to worried about only getting 3 or 4 K's a game with some of those guys. Even though I was rocked by the Brewers using Mike Minor, I was still able to punch out a good number batters once I settled in with him.

                                            And yeah, I like getting shut out too, lol.
                                            Now, more than ever

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                                              • Heroesandvillains
                                                MVP
                                                • May 2009
                                                • 5974
                                                #57
                                                Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                                MIN 5 9 0
                                                TOR 11 12 2

                                                Pitching
                                                MIN 5BB 7SO
                                                TOR 5BB 7SO

                                                Hitting
                                                MIN 1HR
                                                TOR 3DB 2HR

                                                First, I just want to say, this game was a blast! I beat up Liariano, causing his early exit, and the Twins went with whom I'd assume is their long reliever Nick Blackburn, and his fate would be no better.

                                                Here's the thing: Blackburn had given up 2 hits, and 2 walks...causing his confidence to be ZERO. Batter after batter, his confidence was empty, but no matter what he did, he wouldn't get the hook. I'd NEVER seen this. Up comes Jose Bautista with two runners on, and BANG...a 440 foot bomb into left center for TOR second long ball of the night.

                                                Personally, I'm taking this second homer with a grain of salt, as I can't forsee being able to take advantage of the CPU like that again. I've played plenty of games at this point, and never had an opportunity like this one.

                                                I made two errors, both throwing (Auto Throw, for the sake of testing). I did make a fielding error, but it was ruled a hit...

                                                I really like the adjusted fielder speed and arm strength. It looks a lot more like baseball.

                                                Lowering User Consistency to 4 made a pretty big difference to my skill. At moments, I was all over the place. One thing to note however:

                                                MIN enduced 42 foul balls off of me. What? Hopefully this was simply an odd occurance, and nothing more. My highest previously was 39 in a game with pitch to contact pitcher Joel Pinero. Other than that, I'd yet to see over 31. Ever.

                                                Otherwise, it was a lot of fun. Mainly now, I'm just going to keep an eye on whether or not CPU solid hits should go back to default, with CPU power at 4 instead (or I should just stay out of the CPU threads! LOL)

                                                All in all, it was nice to beat down the CPU again. I haven't done that in a while. TOR and the Roger's Center may have something to do with it though.

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                                                  • Heroesandvillains
                                                    MVP
                                                    • May 2009
                                                    • 5974
                                                    #58
                                                    Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                                    Originally posted by Jgainsey
                                                    I've definitely thought about the contact/control relationship, but I still have enough swings and misses to make me feel comfortable with contact at default. Though it will definitely be my first move if my average stays up too high.

                                                    As far as my starter's strikeouts go, I think alot of it just has to do with the starters that I've been using lately. Most of them have average or below average K/9 ratings in the game, so I'm not to worried about only getting 3 or 4 K's a game with some of those guys. Even though I was rocked by the Brewers using Mike Minor, I was still able to punch out a good number batters once I settled in with him.

                                                    And yeah, I like getting shut out too, lol.
                                                    Of course, the second I ask about K's, you go ahead and almost strike out the side twice.

                                                    I'm liking what I'm seeing from your last two games!!!

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                                                      • steelcityjames
                                                        Pro
                                                        • Dec 2010
                                                        • 877
                                                        #59
                                                        Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                                        Originally posted by heroesandvillians
                                                        I do. Usually only with two strikes, and not even generally that much.

                                                        Maybe 5-10 times a game, but only when I have a hunch as the penalty for guessing wrong is pretty steep.

                                                        Generally, it's a great tool for getting pitcher's to stop painting in hitter's counts. If I'm seeing change after change after change on the black, in hitter's counts to righties, I'll guess it a few times and the CPU will stop throwing it as much.

                                                        Is it cheating? I don't think so. Some may disagree, but my stats say otherwise.

                                                        It also keeps my K's down to a realistic clip. But again, if you guess wrong, you're almost worse off than had you not guessed at all.

                                                        Just my 2 cents.

                                                        i agree.... i'm comfortable using guess pitch, especially along with timing hitting. this year's game really makes you pay a price for guessing wrong. i only use it with 2 strikes or when i'm seeing a pitch pattern.

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                                                          • DJ
                                                            Hall Of Fame
                                                            • Apr 2003
                                                            • 17756
                                                            #60
                                                            Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                                            Originally posted by heroesandvillians
                                                            My sliders a virtually identical to Jgainsey's, with these changes:

                                                            User Control 5
                                                            CPU Power 5
                                                            Stolen Base Ability 4

                                                            And I think that's it. I'll check back and update this post if I missed anything.
                                                            Looks good. I'm going to try those CPU Pitching changes out today and see how it goes. I've been hacking a bit lately, but I hoping that when I get a few games under my belt, I'll get my discipline back.
                                                            Currently Playing:
                                                            MLB The Show 25 (PS5)

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