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  • Bobhead
    Pro
    • Mar 2011
    • 4926
    #196
    Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

    Originally posted by skow05
    Pitch speed will increase fouls for the user? My problem with pitch speed is that even at 2 I'm having trouble turning on any fastball inside. I understand I shouldn't be getting around on big fastballs, but with my timing/reaction time, I'm fisting off everything the other way that's on the inside corner of the plate.
    In theory it does: the higher the pitch speed the more inaccurate your swing, but it doesn't directly have an effect, if that's what you mean. I assume you are not using zone hitting, in which case its not pitch speed, it is contact/timing that is the issue.

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      • coreyhartsdaughter
        MVP
        • Jul 2008
        • 1107
        #197
        Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

        Just wrapped up a game against the Astros, I was the Padres.

        I threw 177 pitches (!), they threw 134. Clayton Richard had 92 pitches through 5. I had 29 Fouls, they had 30. I had (offense) 18 misses (outta practice) and 10 K's (3 in the 9th), they had 16 misses (8 K's). For reference, I have HUM Pitch Control / Consistency both at 4, while CPU's hitting is at Default, save for Contact at 4.

        I need to start taking screen caps.

        Weird game, 2-1 them into the 8th, when I gave up a single and BB with Gregerson, then hung a slider to Pence, 3 run HR. Crap, I never do that...Lost 1-5.

        I allowed 5 BB.

        The only significant sliders I'm still debating are HUM Contact and Pitch Speed, as well as Human Solid Hits at 4 or 5. I've been predominately playing at 4, but again, when I take pitch speed to 5, my extra base hits decrease...I just don't want to be messing with stuff a month from now...

        At Pitch Speed 5, it seems I need contact at 4, while at Pitch Speed of 4, Contact of 3 plays well. I think I'm still out of practice, so I need more testing.

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          • Jgainsey
            I can't feel it
            • Mar 2007
            • 3362
            #198
            Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

            Originally posted by Jgainsey
            Yes, I did. And I think I like it.

            Btw, I'm currently 7 innings through a no-hit bid with Tommy Hanson! I had to take a quick stretch...

            You can definitely still dominate with consistency at 3... I'll update you guys later.
            Ahhhhh!! ****ing Danny Espinosa!

            He broke up the no-no and the shutout in the 8th with a solo shot. Great outing from Hanson though.

            IMO, there are few things more enjoyable in sports gaming than a dominant performance with the new analog pitching controls. Let alone trying for a no hitter... I was going to play another game tonight, but I'm a little fatigued from trying to focus so much every pitch, lol.

            Also, I like CHD's thinking in moving the fielder reaction up and fielder speed down. At times the infielders look asleep at the wheel as a well struck line drive whizzes by.. I'm just reluctant to try it out yet, as my batting average and doubles are right about where I want them to be.


            Anyways, here's the Box Score. Looking at the final score, you wouldn't think I took a no-no into the 8th. Once again, ****ing Danny Espinosa...

            Spoiler
            Now, more than ever

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              • Bobhead
                Pro
                • Mar 2011
                • 4926
                #199
                Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                It probably comes down to a matter of preference, but I've taken a big liking to having control and consistency at 1 and 5, respectively (I've tried 2 and 4 also, same thing more or less) instead of 4/3 or 3/4 or whatever, because the walks -- and the games -- feel a lot more natural.

                Maybe its just me but with lower consistency and higher control, it seems like every game is either a slug fest or a pitcher's duel, and I never get any middle ground, or "normal" games. Your ace pitcher can just be cruising right along with a no-hitter then all of a sudden give up like 7 runs in an inning, I know that happens in real life, but not all the time. It just seemed like a low consistency makes pitching very much "black and white."

                With a lower control and higher consistency, pitchers are -- well -- more consistent, but also pitch at a more realistic level, that is, with a lot less dominance. Walks come and go, hits come and go, but all in all pitchers have an easier time "settling in," without being too dominant. I've found myself able to take a pitcher into the 6th inning frequently, even if I'm losing by a few runs. Pitchers struggle to paint their spots but are able to manage somehow... and I think all around it produces a better feeling game, although it might just be me... thoughts?

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                  • Bobhead
                    Pro
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 4926
                    #200
                    Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                    Also I've noticed that with a low pitch consistency my bullpen gives up more runs in comparison to my starter, which is pretty weird in itself, and I see you gave up 4 runs in the 9th inning there. What would you ballpark your 8th and 9th inning ERA to be?

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                      • coreyhartsdaughter
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 1107
                        #201
                        Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                        Originally posted by Bobhead
                        It probably comes down to a matter of preference, but I've taken a big liking to having control and consistency at 1 and 5, respectively (I've tried 2 and 4 also, same thing more or less) instead of 4/3 or 3/4 or whatever, because the walks -- and the games -- feel a lot more natural.

                        Maybe its just me but with lower consistency and higher control, it seems like every game is either a slug fest or a pitcher's duel, and I never get any middle ground, or "normal" games. Your ace pitcher can just be cruising right along with a no-hitter then all of a sudden give up like 7 runs in an inning, I know that happens in real life, but not all the time. It just seemed like a low consistency makes pitching very much "black and white."

                        With a lower control and higher consistency, pitchers are -- well -- more consistent, but also pitch at a more realistic level, that is, with a lot less dominance. Walks come and go, hits come and go, but all in all pitchers have an easier time "settling in," without being too dominant. I've found myself able to take a pitcher into the 6th inning frequently, even if I'm losing by a few runs. Pitchers struggle to paint their spots but are able to manage somehow... and I think all around it produces a better feeling game, although it might just be me... thoughts?
                        I think certain guys (yourself included) are for whatever reason just more efficient and better pitchers at the game. (standard deviation may be a factor as well.)

                        I've yet to get out of the 8th yet with a starter (I had I think 135 pitches with Liriano a few games ago through 7.2 innings) I rarely pitch to contact, and have about a 55% : 45% K:BB ratio. I see some reports on here of guys finishing with 120 pitches all in, with strike ratios upwards of 65 - 70%. That's efficiency (!), although I have to wonder if they could manage that over 162 games with the CPU hitting sliders at default on HOF.

                        I just played the Tigers with the Scott Baker and the Twins, and he went 6.2 Innings, 115 pitches, 6 K's, 3 BB, 1 ER, 5 H. Manship allowed 1 Run in the 7th (also allowing Bakers base-runner to score), walking 1 and striking out 1, Capps also had 1 BB in the 8th, and Nathan closed it with 1 K. I won 5-2, on 8 hits, 2 2B, 6 singles (2 runs scoring on a Tigers throwing error.)

                        All told, I had 166 pitches, allowed 5 BB, 8 K's, the CPU batters had 16 misses and 20 fouls. I'm getting about the best results I can right now.

                        Unrelated, I nailed Scherzer in the face on a line drive in the 3rd (first time seeing the animation this year), and he absolutely crumbled. Was an awesome sequence. I highly recommend it!

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                          • Heroesandvillains
                            MVP
                            • May 2009
                            • 5974
                            #202
                            Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                            Skow,

                            I should have been more clear. I mainly recommended pitch speed due to the possibility that misses AND fouls were too low. I don't KNOW that they're low (you just started tracking those starts), but if that's the case over a stretch of games, I'd consider it. Fouls is probably a better option for you. Trust me, one click up in pitch speed, and the game is WAY less fun for me. Don't make that change unless you're absolutely comfortable.

                            Jgainsey,

                            Ahhhhh!!!!!!


                            CHD,
                            Looks like you're having great games. I can't wait to see where you end up.

                            Bobhead,
                            I haven't really noticed inflated ERA's from relievers with the lower consistency. But I am seeing more walks from everyone. This is a good thing. Burnett's control and BB/9 is probably worse than any of the Yankees' pen, and if I can pitch 7 shutout innings with him, than I'd have to assume that my relievers are capable of having the same success, if I concentrate.

                            Everyone,
                            How are your 2B:HR ratios. Since I lowered the strike frequency and CPU control a click each, the 2:1 is narrowing closer to 1:1. Granted, I've played the same number of games as the real Yanks, and I think their real life ratio is worse than mine! LOL!

                            Oh, I was 2 hit yesterday by MIN. As much as it doesn't feel good to lose at home...and be 2-3...it does feel good to be almost no hit! I don't think I've ever been 2 hit in this series!!! Love it!
                            Last edited by Heroesandvillains; 04-06-2011, 02:44 PM.

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                              • Bobhead
                                Pro
                                • Mar 2011
                                • 4926
                                #203
                                Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                Just had an amazing game @ the Phillies. My offense is still not where I want it to be, but everything else is playing out great for me.

                                Basically Halladay took a No-Hitter into the 7th against me, but I got a leadoff double. He then promptly retired 3 in a row. The shutout would continue until the 9th inning, where Phillies were up 2-0. Halladay stayed to try and finish the game, but I had gotten into a lot of deep counts throughout the game, and he was done.

                                He walked 2 in a row, then got replaced by the closer. I hit a sac bunt to move up both runners then Josh Thole came through with a big double against the wall for 2 RBI. Tie game. Taylor Buchholz pitched two scoreless innings. Later on in the 12th, Raul Ibanez hit a double down the line. I got two outs, then Jimmy Rollins lined one into the gap in left-center. Game over.

                                It was probably the most fun loss I've ever had, particularly because of the clutchness of Josh Thole and Taylor Buchholz, but also because the game felt 100% realistic, and everything felt like real life baseball, from beginning to end. Except for the part where I only got 3 hits
                                Last edited by Bobhead; 04-06-2011, 03:37 PM.

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                                  • coreyhartsdaughter
                                    MVP
                                    • Jul 2008
                                    • 1107
                                    #204
                                    Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                    Originally posted by Bobhead
                                    Just had an amazing game @ the Phillies. My offense is still not where I want it to be, but everything else is playing out great for me.

                                    Basically Halladay took a No-Hitter into the 7th against me, but I got a leadoff double. He then promptly retired 3 in a row. The shutout would continue until the 9th inning, where Phillies were up 2-0. Halladay stayed to try and finish the game, but I had gotten into a lot of deep counts throughout the game, and he was done.

                                    He walked 2 in a row, then got replaced by the closer. I hit a sac bunt to move up both runners then Josh Thole came through with a big double against the wall for 2 RBI. Tie game. Taylor Buchholz pitched two scoreless innings. Later on in the 12th, Raul Ibanez hit a double down the line. I got two outs, then Jimmy Rollins lined one into the gap in left-center. Game over.

                                    It was probably the most fun loss I've ever had, particularly because of the clutchness of Josh Thole and Taylor Buchholz, but also because the game felt 100% realistic, and everything felt like real life baseball, from beginning to end. Except for the part where I only got 3 hits
                                    Are you still hitting on HOF?

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                                      • Bobhead
                                        Pro
                                        • Mar 2011
                                        • 4926
                                        #205
                                        Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                        Yep, Hall of Fame on all fronts. Zone Batting and Analog Pitching. Pitching is spot on for me, but my offense is really lacking. HoF batting is probably still a bit over my head, but it just plays out so well, I can't imagine ever playing at any other level at this point. I just have to focus on, focusing... I tend to have too many attention span drops when I'm at the plate; I'm spoiled by the MVP Baseball timing system.

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                                          • skow05
                                            Pro
                                            • Aug 2008
                                            • 500
                                            #206
                                            Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                            Alright guys. Made a few more changes, just for experiments sake. Dropped Hum pitch consistency and Hum pitch control by 1 each. Upped throwing errors 1. Upped Hum Foul Tendency up 1.

                                            What a game! Zambrano was filthy early, taking a no-no into the 5th. It all fell apart for him letting up a double followed by a Carlos Gomez triple. With one out in the 5th and Gomez on third there was a well hit ball to 3rd, DeWitt tried to go home with it and was a tad bit lackadaisical, allowing the runner to score. 2-1 Rockies.

                                            Zambrano came back out trying to keep the Cubbies in the ball game but after a couple of walks he found him self in a bit of a jam with 2 outs and Seth Smith at the plate. He tried to blow a 3-2 fastball by him but caught too much of the plate, and inevitably too much of Seth Smith's bat. 5-1 Rockies.

                                            All hope was but gone going into the bottom of the 9th. Castillo, subbing in for the injured Soto, led off the inning with a walk. DeWitt then came up huge with a double to left-center and just like that the Cubs have 2 men in scoring position with 0 outs. Darwin Barney popped out to Helton, proving that he is not much of an offensive threat.

                                            The Rockies meant business at this point as they decided to bring in the closer, Huston Street.

                                            Colvin squared up a 1-2 fastball into RF and the Cubs scored their first run since Marlon Byrd's solo shot in the 4th inning. 5-2 Rockies.

                                            Fukudome wasted no time capitalizing on his chance to shine, hitting a sharp grounder just out of the reach of Helton, closing the gap and making it a 2 run game. 5-3 Rockies.

                                            Clint Hurdle had decided he had seen enough of the tough right hander, and decided to yank the chain on his closer and send Matt Belisle to the mound to shut down the rallying Cubs.

                                            Not so fast Clint. The young SS, Starlin Castro, decided to salvage his day at the plate and singled into LF. 5-4 Rockies. Marlon Byrd steps up to the plate, already having homered earlier in the game, and looking to be the Cubs offensive savior of the day. Byrd snaps a sharp line drive single to center field, tying the game!

                                            Pena comes to bat looking to close out the miraculous comeback. Men on 1st and 3rd with 1 out. Belisle hangs a first pitch curveball....GONE! Pena rounds the bags doing an imitation of the Nature Boy on his way to home plate.

                                            Cubs win 8-5.

                                            CUBS

                                            127 pitches (72% strike)

                                            ROCKIES

                                            150 pitches (63% strike)

                                            CUBS

                                            12 hits
                                            19 in play for out
                                            60 taken
                                            24 fouled
                                            29 missed
                                            5 strikeout

                                            ROCKIES

                                            6 hits
                                            23 in play for out
                                            54 taken
                                            34 fouled
                                            6 missed
                                            3 strikeout


                                            BOX SCORE
                                            Spoiler
                                            Last edited by skow05; 04-06-2011, 07:34 PM.
                                            Cubs
                                            UofM
                                            Cowboys
                                            Knicks
                                            PSN - Skow

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                                              • Heroesandvillains
                                                MVP
                                                • May 2009
                                                • 5974
                                                #207
                                                Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                                Skow,

                                                Brave man! After getting my *** handed to me the other day, I'm fine with where I'm at right now. LOL!

                                                Watch CPU misses as games progress. You want to be around 11-14 on average.

                                                Good game man. I'm excited to see all of us having so much fun this early on. Last year, I don't think "fun" starter for us slider tweakers until June!

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                                                  • Bobhead
                                                    Pro
                                                    • Mar 2011
                                                    • 4926
                                                    #208
                                                    Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                                    For the third game in a row, I almost got no-hit against; for the second time in the series @ Philly, Josh Thole was the one to break it up (and in the 7th again). This time with a center field home run. Sucks to have lost like 8 of my last 10 games, but these last few at Philly have definitely been fun. ALso I guess its a lot less frustrating to lose to a team you are "supposed" to lose against, getting swept by Arizona on the other hand is just

                                                    Anyway I'm not too worried about it, I made some slider adjustments mid-game, eased up on my offense sliders and raised them back closer to default, and I also lowered pitch speed by 1 point. I see the original post in this thread recommends 4, and I figure if you need it for Timing, I sure as hell need it for Zone. CPU Offense still playing perfectly. Only thing I'm worried about now is the walks. I've only drawn like maybe 5 walks in this series, and I'm not sure whether that's just a factor of running into the 1,2,3 starters of Philly while they are on a hot streak, or if I need to be more concerned.

                                                    Nonetheless I look to bounce back on my upcoming homestand vs Giants and Dodgers. I might even start Johan Santana a "day early" since I have a day off before the game.

                                                    And as for the fun factor, I'm definitely having fun, I can't stop playing, and I should be doing homework right now :P

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                                                      • coreyhartsdaughter
                                                        MVP
                                                        • Jul 2008
                                                        • 1107
                                                        #209
                                                        Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                                        @ Skow

                                                        Looking good man. Are you missing some outs? I'm amazed that you only K'd 5 times with 29 misses! That in itself is an achievement in my book!

                                                        Curious, 9 CPU misses and a fairly high Stike%, how many walks did you surrender? I've been focusing on trying to achieve the perfect balance of strikes for chases and those taken by the CPU for balls - I throw a lot WAY off the plate to entice swing through in the zone (or first pitch strikes later in the game). The HOF CPU batting AI is pretty good, and tricking them is quite a challenge (I have CPU Control and Consistency at 4, and CPU Contact at 4 as well.)

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                                                          • Heroesandvillains
                                                            MVP
                                                            • May 2009
                                                            • 5974
                                                            #210
                                                            Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                                            Originally posted by coreyhartsdaughter
                                                            @ Skow

                                                            Looking good man. Are you missing some outs? I'm amazed that you only K'd 5 times with 29 misses! That in itself is an achievement in my book!

                                                            Curious, 9 CPU misses and a fairly high Stike%, how many walks did you surrender? I've been focusing on trying to achieve the perfect balance of strikes for chases and those taken by the CPU for balls - I throw a lot WAY off the plate to entice swing through in the zone (or first pitch strikes later in the game). The HOF CPU batting AI is pretty good, and tricking them is quite a challenge (I have CPU Control and Consistency at 4, and CPU Contact at 4 as well.)
                                                            What's the average chase percentage? 20% of balls thrown?

                                                            Yeah, his miss to K ratio is pretty stunning. I think I had a game one time where I missed like 11 times and struck out something fierce! LOL! I'll have to check when I get home. I must have taken like a champion that game.

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