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  • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
    MVP
    • Jun 2016
    • 1354

    #241
    Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

    Originally posted by KBLover
    Batted ball profile?

    The Show seems to lean fly ball heavy, especially in recent iterations. Solid Hits used to be where you could go for that as it really was the LD% slider. You could raise that to help that single vs HR balance. You'd lower HR while flyouts become hits in front of OF more often.

    Now, I agree, there's no safe option. Only thing I can think of is find a way to hit more grounders. Grounders tend to be singles (sometimes doubles) and are almost never HR (only possibility would be an in-the-park HR).

    It might be part of your BA being low since fly balls are the lowest BABIP batted ball type. Grounders are more frequently hits.

    Barring that - not a lot you can do via sliders.
    I agree with the slider statement. There is no safe option at this point (and unnecessary unless bad numbers really start raising their ugly heads) i think its probably best to leave it as-is, at least for now. Its playing great.

    The HR% isn't wayy out there. And i don't think you would want to purposely hit more grounders in order to get HR numbers lower. After all, you are still trying to win games, not set out to get specific percentages. (I know this is not actually what is being suggested, but thought i would throw that in lol). High fly ball percentages could be responsible for it, if indeed they are high.

    As far as it being part of the reason that batting average is low, i really cant see fly ball to ground ball percentage making much of a difference at all, so i dont think this is a problem at all. (I dont know his actual percentages, so i could be wrong, but he would need to be very fly ball heavy to lower average much. (Wayyyyyyy more than reversed roles of (approx) 35% and 45%)

    It is true that ground balls are more frequently hits, but, in the game (if the batting averages per batted ball type are performing realistically) for it to lower batting average much, the percentages would have to be A) either be skewed to be Fly Ball heavy by such a large amount that it would already be irritatingly noticeable without even looking at numbers - OR - B) Fly ball Batting Average and Ground Ball Batting Average would have to be significantly off.

    If the latter is the case, then yes fly ball to groundball percentages could affect overall batting average, but that would be a totally different issue, and probably definitely a road no one wants to go down mid-seaon, haha. Especially given it is playing so well.

    One good thing about zone, is we have a bit more control over getting on top of the ball while trying to lay off balls up in the zone that lead to fly balls. (possibly at the expense of HR's though... I usually try to stay on top of the ball with everyone but my power guys. With Gallo i am ALWAYS trying to hit it in the air. With Deshields and most others, i am wanting to stay away from fly balls since they're unlikely to leave the yard)

    All in all, i think its playing as good as ever, and i think another 30 game evaluation of HR is necessary before any adjustments should be thought about.

    That's my 2 cents. (I found them during my Toronto series, so unfortunately that is 2 cents, Canadian)

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    • FenwayMac
      Pro
      • Mar 2009
      • 825

      #242
      Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

      Well, as of on cue I just had seven singles and two home runs in an amazing 2-1 pitching duel between aces Cole and Kershaw. Kershaw floated a couple breaking balls and that made the difference as neither pitcher gave an inch in this one.

      I now sit at 31-30, first time over .500 since being 4-3. Uncharted waters.

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      • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
        MVP
        • Jun 2016
        • 1354

        #243
        Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

        Originally posted by FenwayMac
        Well, as of on cue I just had seven singles and two home runs in an amazing 2-1 pitching duel between aces Cole and Kershaw. Kershaw floated a couple breaking balls and that made the difference as neither pitcher gave an inch in this one.

        I now sit at 31-30, first time over .500 since being 4-3. Uncharted waters.
        Congratulations that's awesome. That is my goal and my dream lol. I haven't been over .500 yet.

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        • FenwayMac
          Pro
          • Mar 2009
          • 825

          #244
          Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

          Oh, I also should chime in on the fly ball rates...this is not something I have been tracking. I normally just go by feel. Everything seems in line to me. If it helps, rank 27th in GIDP!

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          • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
            MVP
            • Jun 2016
            • 1354

            #245
            Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

            Originally posted by FenwayMac
            Oh, I also should chime in on the fly ball rates...this is not something I have been tracking. I normally just go by feel. Everything seems in line to me. If it helps, rank 27th in GIDP!
            If it feels good do it. I think that saying applies here? Kinda... lol

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            • KBLover
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2009
              • 12172

              #246
              Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

              Originally posted by NolanRyansSnowmonkey
              As far as it being part of the reason that batting average is low, i really cant see fly ball to ground ball percentage making much of a difference at all, so i dont think this is a problem at all.
              I've been as high as 55% FB rate so just throwing it out there...

              And, being a Directional hitter..."hitting down" on the ball can help keep LD rate coming as well and lower trajectory on flies while also getting grounders (and some hitters shouldn't be hitting tons of flies anyway...and they always hit too many in this game).

              And, sometimes a hard hit grounder is better than a decently hit fly ball.
              "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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              • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
                MVP
                • Jun 2016
                • 1354

                #247
                Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

                Originally posted by KBLover
                I've been as high as 55% FB rate so just throwing it out there...

                And, being a Directional hitter..."hitting down" on the ball can help keep LD rate coming as well and lower trajectory on flies while also getting grounders (and some hitters shouldn't be hitting tons of flies anyway...and they always hit too many in this game).

                And, sometimes a hard hit grounder is better than a decently hit fly ball.
                Yeah i agree, my fly ball rate, even on zone is usually a bit high. Most of it is my fault, but the game does seem to hit the ball in the air more than normal. I have gotten much better though, as laying off certain pitches, and looking for "my" pitch helps a lot, as well as positioning my pci higher to start the AB. Its gotten much better as i go along.

                I definitely try to hit more grounders than fly balls for the very reasons you've stated.

                As for a fly ball rate of 55% (which is about 20% higher than average - [i say these things for some other's benefit, as i know you and others are aware]). - Although that would definitely increase fly ball hits by quite a bit, AND it would lower ground ball hits by quite a bit, the effect should still [I]nearly[/] even out.

                When i say nearly, (unless i am wrong) obviously batting average would drop a bit (maybe only 2 or 3%?) But the overall batting average should probably stay pretty close to the same. I would think around only 5 points less or so. For sure less than 10 points i would think.

                I dont think even 55% will affect batting averages and outcomes as much as it might seem. But, i would also, like you, be trying to influence to get on top of the ball, because any edge we can get can help in the standings, even if it only gives us one extra hit per week

                This is all, of course, assuming that batting averages per each batted ball type stayed at the correct rate. Fluctuations there would make a larger difference in overall batting average.

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                • KBLover
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 12172

                  #248
                  Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

                  Originally posted by NolanRyansSnowmonkey
                  This is all, of course, assuming that batting averages per each batted ball type stayed at the correct rate. Fluctuations there would make a larger difference in overall batting average.

                  That's the thing - if I'm hitting 55% FB, they are not going to be good trajectory.

                  Now maybe for Zone people, it is. Zone players can control more easily what kind of flies they get because of PCI control.

                  For Directional, many of those flies will be lazy/routine because expecting a lot of them to have good trajectory is wishful thinking, imo.

                  Or I'm scoring a ton of runs otherwise.

                  I've yet to have a game where I'm hitting 50-60 (highest in my last 7 games is 63% FB) where even half of those are good trajectory. It's rare I'm at anywhere near an average BABIP in those situations.

                  BABIP in that 63% FB game? .158. BA? 4-for-27 = .148. BABIP on fly balls? .091 (vs .130)
                  Last edited by KBLover; 07-23-2018, 02:49 AM.
                  "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                  • FenwayMac
                    Pro
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 825

                    #249
                    Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

                    Finished up a sweep of the Dodgers with another well-played game capped by a Polanco walk off from Jansen in the 10th.


                    LAD 3 6 1
                    PIT 4 8 2

                    Here are the hit-type spreads

                    Fly ball 18: 40.0%
                    Pop up 7: 15.5%
                    Line drive 5: 11.1 %
                    Ground ball 12: 26.7%
                    Chopper 3: 6.7%

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                    • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2016
                      • 1354

                      #250
                      Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

                      Originally posted by FenwayMac
                      Finished up a sweep of the Dodgers with another well-played game capped by a Polanco walk off from Jansen in the 10th.


                      LAD 3 6 1
                      PIT 4 8 2

                      Here are the hit-type spreads

                      Fly ball 18: 40.0%
                      Pop up 7: 15.5%
                      Line drive 5: 11.1 %
                      Ground ball 12: 26.7%
                      Chopper 3: 6.7%
                      That's a heck of a sweep! Nice!

                      As far as batted ball types, pop ups are already included in fly ball totals, and choppers are already included in ground ball totals. Unless you already separated them.

                      So to me it looks more like this:
                      Fly ball 18 (51.4%) [Popup 7 - 20%]
                      Line Drive 5 (14.3%)
                      Ground Ball 12 (34.3%) [Chopper - 8.5%]

                      I didn't get to play last night, but hoping to take the series from Toronto tonight! That could be a big win for the team, before heading to Cleveland, who are not playing well at all.

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                      • FenwayMac
                        Pro
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 825

                        #251
                        Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

                        Originally posted by NolanRyansSnowmonkey
                        That's a heck of a sweep! Nice!

                        As far as batted ball types, pop ups are already included in fly ball totals, and choppers are already included in ground ball totals. Unless you already separated them.

                        So to me it looks more like this:
                        Fly ball 18 (51.4%) [Popup 7 - 20%]
                        Line Drive 5 (14.3%)
                        Ground Ball 12 (34.3%) [Chopper - 8.5%]

                        I didn't get to play last night, but hoping to take the series from Toronto tonight! That could be a big win for the team, before heading to Cleveland, who are not playing well at all.
                        I will track these over the next 10 games or so. I imagine they vary pretty significantly from game to game to need a decent sample.

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                        • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2016
                          • 1354

                          #252
                          Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

                          Originally posted by FenwayMac
                          I will track these over the next 10 games or so. I imagine they vary pretty significantly from game to game to need a decent sample.
                          Agreed. I have my data from day one. My GB% is around 40-41% and a lot of that is from the bad habit i talked about early on in this thread where i kept getting under everything. I have since developed a hitting strategy that helps me keep pop ups and fly balls a bit more in check. I still want to get that extra 3-4% on ground balls because it will help 3 or 4 players at the bottom of the lineup whose babips have greatly suffered due to getting underneath the ball. Odor's babip is under .200. Thats horrible.

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                          • HC0023
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 1368

                            #253
                            Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

                            I am a cpu vs cpu guy , Yeah i know im weird lol. So i took your settings for the Cpu , and i have been watching some really good games .

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                            • FenwayMac
                              Pro
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 825

                              #254
                              Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

                              Originally posted by HC0023
                              I am a cpu vs cpu guy , Yeah i know im weird lol. So i took your settings for the Cpu , and i have been watching some really good games .
                              Thanks...I think .

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                              • FenwayMac
                                Pro
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 825

                                #255
                                Re: FenwayMac 2018 Legend Sliders

                                Alright. So now I am excited to test GB,FB and LD!

                                So from what I have gathered online, is it pretty safe to say that target ranges will be:

                                GB: 43.5-45%
                                FB: 34.5-37.5%
                                LD: 18.5-21%

                                I’ll start with a base of I am using now for 10 or so games, then decide from there. It makes me wonder about the solid hits a bit, but we’ll see how it goes.

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