***The Official OOTP Thread***

[KBLover]

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So I exported the leagues.csv file.


I see a field called "gender".

Now, maybe I'm missing something...but why does a league need a gender?

[coach422001]

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So I exported the leagues.csv file.


I see a field called "gender".

Now, maybe I'm missing something...but why does a league need a gender?

A long time ago when I played I believe after a certain point in time women began to be able to join the leagues. It has been quite some time though so I don't recall how long before that was possible. Maybe (maybe?) it is an option in the set up and even if unchecked csv file may maintain a place? I'm going from memory and it hasn't been what it used to be though.

[KBLover]

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A long time ago when I played I believe after a certain point in time women began to be able to join the leagues. It has been quite some time though so I don't recall how long before that was possible. Maybe (maybe?) it is an option in the set up and even if unchecked csv file may maintain a place? I'm going from memory and it hasn't been what it used to be though.

Ooooh now I'm intrigued! I might have to "experiment" with changing that and seeing what happens.

[KSUowls]

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What, if any, limits is everyone using on minor league service time to get around roster bloat?

I've experimented roster limits in the past, but I've read that they have some unintended consequences.

I just set my league up using service time/age limits. I'm using a slightly modified version that someone posted on reddit from an older version of the game.

R...3 years service time
Low A...4 years service time
A...5 years service time
A+...5 years service time
AA...28 years old max
AAA...no limit

We'll see how it works out.

[KBLover]

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What, if any, limits is everyone using on minor league service time to get around roster bloat?

I'm using most of these (the ones OOTP can emulate):

Here are the roster limits by league:

Triple-A: International, Pacific Coast - 25 active.
Double-A: Eastern, Southern, Texas - 25 active.
Class A Advanced: California, Carolina, Florida State - 25 active; 35 under control; no more than two players and one player-coach on active list may have six or more years of prior Minor League service.
Class A: Midwest, South Atlantic - 25 active; 35 under control; no more than two players on active list may have five or more years of prior Minor League service.
Class A Short-Season: New York-Penn, Northwest - 35 active. No more than three players on the Active List may have four or more years of prior Minor League service.
Rookie: Appalachian, Pioneer leagues - 35 active. No more than three players on the Active List may have three or more years of prior Minor League service.
Rookie: Arizona, Gulf Coast leagues - 35 active. No player on the Active List may have three or more years of prior Minor League service.
Rookie: Venezuelan Summer, Dominican Summer - 35 active. No player on the Active List may have four or more years of prior Minor League Service. No Draft-eligible player from the U.S. or Canada (not including players from Puerto Rico) may participate in the DSL or VSL.

Source: https://www.milb.com/about/faqs-business

For the ones where it's like "no more than 3 players", I just set it to the upper limit, so like for the R level it's 35 active roster and 3 years service. High-A is 6 years of service, etc.

For where it lists separate active and control, I used control as the roster limit in the game, so A levels have 35 roster limit.

I don't do age limits since I don't see them in the above list.

[JHedges2]

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Got a few questions. I will try to keep this as concise as possible...

What is everyone's 'preferred' method to play this game (i.e. manager only, manager/gm, gm only)? I am looking to get deep into this, and carry it over my save.

Is there much to do 'day to day' if you play as GM? Or is it really just a matter of simulating games? Seems manager mode would have much more "to do"--but, the inability to bring in the players I want (is this accurate assessment?)?

This game is very overwhelming but also very exciting to get into. Is there an 'easier' approach (i.e. gm, manager)?

Thanks guys--I likely will have more, but perhaps this can facilitate some discussion!

[KBLover]

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What is everyone's 'preferred' method to play this game (i.e. manager only, manager/gm, gm only)?

I tend to GM only. One day I'll try playing as a manager only.

Is there much to do 'day to day' if you play as GM? Or is it really just a matter of simulating games? Seems manager mode would have much more "to do"--but, the inability to bring in the players I want (is this accurate assessment?)?

There's plenty to do day-by-day as a GM. You'll get trade offers, you can make organizational moves - both roster and personnel. You might have some "events" pop up. Like in my fresh save with the Foxes, in the first year I had a player email me saying there's not enough veteran leadership.

You can search out talent around your universe, especially if you have independent leagues on as you can outright purchase players. Feeling bored? Hunt for an undiscovered diamond in the rough. And, of course, swing trades, sign FAs, etc. You can do that, maybe not daily but often - though, sometimes you'll get trade offers almost daily.

The thing about being GM is a lot of it is up to you. The perk of being in charge. You can do all of what I said above, or next to none of it and delegate it all. It's really up to you to shape the job and what you want to do as opposed to manager where it's pretty clear what you have to do. Same thing as last night, try to win the next game.

I would say manager is more day-by-day. The tactics of winning each night, using what the organization has brought to its fullest. GM is year-by-year, the logistics (player pipeline, bringing in talent, managing financial position) and strategy of winning (what type of players you want to develop, what people do you need in your staff at the levels to make it happen, etc).

This game is very overwhelming but also very exciting to get into. Is there an 'easier' approach (i.e. gm, manager)?

To me, the easiest way is to learn by doing. Maybe make some silly challenges that you'll need to learn a "real" skill with the game.

For example, go around the league dumping every bad contract in a trade. Just one big bad-salary-trading-fest...but try to get a decent prospect at the least in return.

Then go the other way, try to trade for Mike Trout and the like.

Try to sign everyone as absolute cheap as possible in the FA pool. Just get them, but try to lowball everyone. If you tick one off and he won't sign - challenge failed.

Things like that - you'll learn skills you can use on your real franchise but in a place where it's LUL he took 5 M when he wanted 12 M hahaha scrub. And if you fail - who cares.

Basically, create a "lab" and start experimenting. Everyone wins and the points don't matter. It's about fooling with the game and getting into the guts of it without pressure. Kinda a OOTP minors.

[JHedges2]

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I tend to GM only. One day I'll try playing as a manager only.

Man, so much to digest from the post--GREAT feedback, much appreciated!

When you're the GM, do you go into each game (pitch to, walk around, make subs, etc), or do you just 'finish day'?

I wouldn't think I could 'manage' the game if I am only GM...?

[KBLover]

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Man, so much to digest from the post--GREAT feedback, much appreciated!

When you're the GM, do you go into each game (pitch to, walk around, make subs, etc), or do you just 'finish day'?

I wouldn't think I could 'manage' the game if I am only GM...?

You can, actually.

When you click the game to start it, you'll have the option to see all or none of the various decisions to manager control.

I sometimes watch the game (I set everything to manager control), especially if:

-We're on a big win streak (see what we're doing to win)

-We're on a big losing streak (see what we're doing that might cost us)

-A pitcher or hitter I'm watching is playing (want to see how he plays and/or is used, especially in the minors...make sure they are using my stud in a good spot and if he's two-way make sure he's actually, you know, two-waying consistently enough)

-Divisional opponent early (see how they like to play)

-Playoffs, I do like to watch the playoff games my team is in.

-I hired a new manager. I'll watch some of his games to get a better feel of how/when his tendencies kick in.

Otherwise, I'll do finish day when I'm done doing what I want for that day.

The great thing about OOTP is it plays like it sims. Even if you don't watch the games, the logs show you the result of the plays and where exactly the ball was hit (OOTP uses Retrosheet's location codes - view them here ) and the result of the play, and that's exactly how it really happened. You can also watch highlights from simmed games if you allow the game to save replays.

But watching can show you things like how often your manager likes the shift (it shows the tendency but watching you can see exactly who and when to get a better feel for how it works and often "very frequent" really is), for example. That's why I will in some cases.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Before the advent of 3D with the graphics being the way they are now, I had no interest at all in managing games. So, I'd just 'fast sim.' Get through a single season in a couple of hours. OOTP 19 was the first one in which I really was a true GM/manager. The problem I had with that was I felt that I could exert too much influence on the outcome of games by either taking a bunch of pitches or putting on the run-and-hit, lol. Inflated team OBP and won more than my fair share of games this way. So, when I get this year's save up and running I will be doing GM and watching the games, but not as a true manager (I will tell the manager what his lineups, depth chart, and rotation are going to be though). There is a checkbox called "legacy mode" in which you can dictate lineups but not be the on-field decision maker during the game. That's what I plan to do.

[KBLover]

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There is a checkbox called "legacy mode" in which you can dictate lineups but not be the on-field decision maker during the game. That's what I plan to do.

Pretty much same here.

I split the difference a little. I don't make decisions in the games, but I'll let the manager have some say in the lineups.

I'll check that same box WTNY mentioned.

But then I'll let the manager fully set the "other" lineup. So, if I'm NL, I let the manager set the AL lineup for interleague play and, yes, the World Series if my squad gets that far.

I'll also let him set the lineups out of spring training, and then make some tweaks if there's something relatively different I'd prefer. This is especially the case with two-way players and now that starters can be depth, too.

Sometimes, the manager might ignore the more "classic" utility depth guy and wear out the poor starter at SS (for example) by playing him as depth at 1B, 2B, and 3B also when I have a good depth player who knows those positions very well (or I want him to learn them because he has good infield skills, just needs experience and has a bat that will play well enough at the majors for part time work).

I'm like "no let's not wear out our RF by making him play 1B and LF when Jankowski is doing nothing and can play, and well, both corners and we have a infielder on the bench that can more than handle 1B."

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I think it would be nice to hire a manager that mostly thinks like we do, lol. If I ever found a manager I could trust, I'd let him handle the lineups. I like to micromanage in spring training also because that's the time of the year to diversify who can play what position. I can't have some "manager" getting in the way of that.

[KBLover]

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Note on Adaptability's new feature:

"Players with low adaptability are less suited for opener/follower duty. "


Also, evidently, part of how it worked before:

"...it also comes in in personality and team chemistry, refusing demotions, and a few other places there (basically, wherever it was used before it's still used). "

source: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=300126


This might explain why it seems so low on just about everyone in OOTP20.

[KBLover]

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Well alrighty then.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Is that low adaptability or high adaptability? Could argue it either way I suppose.