An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

[NotoriousReignz]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

Except that the slider for wind doesn't work correctly, so customization won't help at all in that regard.
I understand you think that it has nothing to do with the game's balance, I'm not even arguing that point. You want to separate balance and sliders, fine.
I think the game is off-balance at All-Star level when it comes to hitting & pitching, whereas The Show 11 wasn't.
If any game is perfectly balanced out the box, I think it's definitely PYS 2010. After the 3rd patch, PYS 11.

As for the slider topic in PYS: You may not have sliders, but similar to what was posted earlier by shevitz, there are a ton of different difficulty levels for hitting, pitching, fielding, base-running, etc. in PYS that are similar to sliders. Not just veteran, all-star, HOF, superstar. Examples:
Pitch Speed - Slow, Slow+, Basic, Basic+, Middle, Middle+, Real
Difficulty - Very Easy, Easy, Normal, Hard, Perfect, Spirits, Self-Adjusting, Custom.
CPU Pitching - Very Easy, Easy, Normal, Normal+, Hard -, Hard, Hard+, Perfect, Spirits

[Manny_Shevitz]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

I already mentioned the wind has nothing to do with the balance in the game. If you would like to harp on it, there's not much else I can say to you. But it really does not have anything to do with the game's balance.

Plus, this is another area where slider customization works if it bothers you that much. Just like Manny and his preference to slow down the pitch speed.

Well, I don't think you can say it has nothing to do with the balance in the game. the developers include wind in the game to make it a more realistic simulation of real life baseball. In real baseball, wind is a factor. So if Sony implements that in their game, but it ends up making the ball travel in an exaggerated or unrealistic manner, then that's a gameplay balance issue. Just because you can can go in and adjust a slider to reduce the amount of wind or remove it altogether, that doesn't change the fact that at the default settings, there's an imbalance.

I'm really not looking to pick on The Show here, but I don't think it's right to say that something isn't an issue just because you can turn it off.

[lhslancers]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

Don't forget the CPU Hitting difficulty. You can make the game as easy or as hard as you want and improve your abilities in small steps. If you like Zone Hitting a la The Show you can do that in PYS too but it neuters the game.

[tvman]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

I'll go out on a limb here and say that if Konami were to release this game with MLB players it would far outsell the show.

[Pared]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

Out of curiosity, have you ever played PYS?

Of course. C'mon now.

Well, I don't think you can say it has nothing to do with the balance in the game. the developers include wind in the game to make it a more realistic simulation of real life baseball. In real baseball, wind is a factor. So if Sony implements that in their game, but it ends up making the ball travel in an exaggerated or unrealistic manner, then that's a gameplay balance issue. Just because you can can go in and adjust a slider to reduce the amount of wind or remove it altogether, that doesn't change the fact that at the default settings, there's an imbalance.

I'm really not looking to pick on The Show here, but I don't think it's right to say that something isn't an issue just because you can turn it off.

I respectfully disagree. We can go back and forth all day on the issue but there really is no point. It's really irrelevant to the main points of baseball here and the discussion of balance IMO. Wind plays a minor factor in sports in general. Add to the fact that rain and other harsh weather conditions can never be accurately recreated and hence the reason why it's a moot point.

I'll go out on a limb here and say that if Konami were to release this game with MLB players it would far outsell the show.

That's really not going out on a limb at all. You've proven as much in your continued posts throughout all the baseball forums.

[tvman]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

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Nice to see you agree with me.

[lhslancers]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

Something I really like about the pitcher animations on PYS is the whip on the pitches. Don't remember who I was using on The Show the other day but it resembled a shot put more than a major league pitcher throwing the ball. You can feel the whip when they throw the ball in the Japanese game.

[Manny_Shevitz]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

Of course. C'mon now.

Ok, cool. I wasn't asking that in an accusatory way, I just wanted to know how much perspective you had on it.

[Manny_Shevitz]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

Something I really like about the pitcher animations on PYS is the whip on the pitches. Don't remember who I was using on The Show the other day but it resembled a shot put more than a major league pitcher throwing the ball. You can feel the whip when they throw the ball in the Japanese game.

Absolutely. I love the the pitching animations in PYS. Especially with aces like Sugiuchi, where you can really see the precision in their delivery. Striking out a batter in PYS gives me as much of a thrill as hitting a home run.

[lhslancers]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

If there is one problem with the game it's that sometimes the ball tends to morph into the fielders gloves. I don't know if this has been improved in 2012. Looking forward to seeing what's new in that game.

[thevaliantx]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

If you can release all of your pitchers perfectly then yes it can be easy to paint the corners and beat the CPU on all but the hardest difficulty. But...if you miss with a few pitches you can easily give up a run or 3.

I have no interest in simming a season with a video game. I want to play.

Define "simming", please. I get this feeling that you've never tried Manage-Only Mode (or "manage game") in MLB 12: The Show. In managing the games there is A LOT of interaction, if you wish to win (and do so consistently), in The Show. Sure, if you just give control to the computers and let them square off, then yeah, that would be truly "simming", but managing your team (and letting the players' success or failure rest solely on the matchups and their ratings) is not simming.

[lhslancers]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

Define "simming", please. I get this feeling that you've never tried Manage-Only Mode (or "manage game") in MLB 12: The Show. In managing the games there is A LOT of interaction, if you wish to win (and do so consistently), in The Show. Sure, if you just give control to the computers and let them square off, then yeah, that would be truly "simming", but managing your team (and letting the players' success or failure rest solely on the matchups and their ratings) is not simming.

I want to pitch hit and field. I don't want the computer doing any of that for me. It is a video game after all. Not into managing or any of that.

[Pared]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

Ok, cool. I wasn't asking that in an accusatory way, I just wanted to know how much perspective you had on it.

I really do like the game, language barriers aside. I just feel there isn't as much of a difference as some make them out to be.

To be fair, I have spent some time on the development side with The Show. I see how things look like they work in PYS and when I look at the framework of some items in The Show, they are very, very similar.

[BIG CAROLINA]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

I really do like the game, language barriers aside. I just feel there isn't as much of a difference as some make them out to be.

To be fair, I have spent some time on the development side with The Show. I see how things look like they work in PYS and when I look at the framework of some items in The Show, they are very, very similar.

They are similar in alot of ways, yet they are different in some important areas. One being the PCI in the Show when using Zone or Zone + Analog, I have hit balls out of the PCI zone in the show without moving the PCI at all. I mean good solid hits.

Now, I should not be able to make any contact at all with the ball if I do not put my PCI circle on the ball (unless I just don't understand how the PCi works- please enlighten me because I would love to know).

Look at this video of how the "PCI" works in PYS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ncLJbhSOpc&feature=relmfu

If he would have tried to miss the ball or not put his "PCI" on the ball, then there is no way on G-d's green earth he would have hit the ball. Thats the one and only area IMO with the Show that needs some tweaking.

I am one who believes that there is room for both games in my collection always so I am not taking sides at all.

Its' kinda of dumb and immature to take sides in any game vs game discussion if you ask me. Kinda of like saying my dad can kick your dad's butt.

[tvman]

Re: An in-depth comparison of The Show and Pro Yakyuu Spirits (for anyone who cares)

The only way i see they are similar is they are both baseball games, aside from that they play totally different.