Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

**Crucial Mike** · 02-23-2004, 09:58 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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cub said:
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asianflow said:
As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote>Ummm...how do you explain that crap they call Medal of Honor Rising Sun being a top 5 seller last holiday. The game was horrible. I bet you still remember the pretty CGI ads of a torpedo cutting through the water that you saw all Christmas long, though.

Anyway, I am just saying everything is not as clear cut as you make it sound.

While Im venting on this whole MVP subject thing....

I for one was a bit taken back when I saw the poll on the front page which has MVP trouncing all other baseball games this season as the 'most wanted'. Here I thought this site was a much more open minded sim community than the IGN boards and there sits an EA game. Not that EA doens't make some great sports game, but a game, that while markedly improved last year, still was running third by my last count.

And so far this year all we have to go by is the pre-release hype machines from all the camps and this back-from-the-stink-pile-just-one-year-ago MVP game is running away with the race? I mean, even with football and basketball the poll has never been so lop-sided especially for a game still on training wheels.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. I could care less what game people enjoy and buy ... although if the poll margins equates to sales revenue I hope we all still have choices next season as well.

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That was probably the most well-written post I've seen here in months - regardless of content.

Just so happens that I agree with you, though.

EA games sale and are incredibly popular regardless of merit. Maybe the game's good, maybe it's awful - but that has very little impact on hype and sales for any of their games.

The OS guys are usually very pessimistic and quick to spot flaws in games. That's why I was so stunned when they played the MVP beta at an EA event and came back telling the boards - to a person - that it was a virtually flawless game. I mean, they were making blanket statements like that right away. That really threw me.

Now that I've seen videos of it, I can definitely say that it looks 100 percent like an EA game... the Madden/SSX/NBA Live/FIFA of baseball. In my book, that's good and bad. But obviously the OS guys only see the upside... which really surprises me. Everytime they get asked about a feature the game doesn't have or something that it doesn't do as well as other titles, they always give the same answer: "Yeah, but that doesn't really bother me at all."

I guess that's what it comes down to.

Still, it's strange that so many things don't bother critics about MVP but seemingly smaller details DO bother them about other games.

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So now OS is biased towards EA games? Likely not- these guys are honest hard working gamers who strive for perfection (my impression anyways).

I just don't understand the whole "MVP isn't a sim" claim. How is ASB that much more of a sim than MVP? Collision detection? Putting a guy on waivers? These are nice features- not things that make a game a sim over another.

One could claim that a game like MVP which has:

Tons of hit varieties- fouls to the backstop, etc...
Different kinds of slides
Incredible fielding animations
Highly intelligent crowd noise AI
etc...

was a "sim" game. no?

I think ASB looks great...don't get me wrong- I just don't see that whole sim vs. arcade distinction between it and MVP.

**GTheorenHobbes** · 02-23-2004, 09:59 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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cub said:
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lnin0 said:
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asianflow said:
As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote>Ummm...how do you explain that crap they call Medal of Honor Rising Sun being a top 5 seller last holiday. The game was horrible. I bet you still remember the pretty CGI ads of a torpedo cutting through the water that you saw all Christmas long, though.

Anyway, I am just saying everything is not as clear cut as you make it sound.

While Im venting on this whole MVP subject thing....

I for one was a bit taken back when I saw the poll on the front page which has MVP trouncing all other baseball games this season as the 'most wanted'. Here I thought this site was a much more open minded sim community than the IGN boards and there sits an EA game. Not that EA doens't make some great sports game, but a game, that while markedly improved last year, still was running third by my last count.

And so far this year all we have to go by is the pre-release hype machines from all the camps and this back-from-the-stink-pile-just-one-year-ago MVP game is running away with the race? I mean, even with football and basketball the poll has never been so lop-sided especially for a game still on training wheels.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. I could care less what game people enjoy and buy ... although if the poll margins equates to sales revenue I hope we all still have choices next season as well.

<hr /></blockquote>

That was probably the most well-written post I've seen here in months - regardless of content.

Just so happens that I agree with you, though.

EA games sale and are incredibly popular regardless of merit. Maybe the game's good, maybe it's awful - but that has very little impact on hype and sales for any of their games.

The OS guys are usually very pessimistic and quick to spot flaws in games. That's why I was so stunned when they played the MVP beta at an EA event and came back telling the boards - to a person - that it was a virtually flawless game. I mean, they were making blanket statements like that right away. That really threw me.

Now that I've seen videos of it, I can definitely say that it looks 100 percent like an EA game... the Madden/SSX/NBA Live/FIFA of baseball. In my book, that's good and bad. But obviously the OS guys only see the upside... which really surprises me. Everytime they get asked about a feature the game doesn't have or something that it doesn't do as well as other titles, they always give the same answer: "Yeah, but that doesn't really bother me at all."

I guess that's what it comes down to.

Still, it's strange that so many things don't bother critics about MVP but seemingly smaller details DO bother them about other games.

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Good thread. I'm looking forward to MVP, but I agree with what you guys are saying. IGN has had a daily blow out of MVP for a couple of weeks now, and they've never mentioned something like the strike zone starts up around some players' heads. I'm just surprised how quickly and completely some people have been taken in by MVP. There's a game that looks just as impressive graphically, if not more so, sitting there in MLB. Yet the MLB boards are a ghost town (unfortunately). Guess that's where some of those marketing dollars have come up big for EA recently.

Daily IGN blowouts, inviting media out to play their game all day (and I'm assuming paying their way..though I have no way of knowing that), those kinds of things have really stoked about 50% of OS readers, I guess.

**GTheorenHobbes** · 02-23-2004, 09:59 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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cub said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
lnin0 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
asianflow said:
As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote>Ummm...how do you explain that crap they call Medal of Honor Rising Sun being a top 5 seller last holiday. The game was horrible. I bet you still remember the pretty CGI ads of a torpedo cutting through the water that you saw all Christmas long, though.

Anyway, I am just saying everything is not as clear cut as you make it sound.

While Im venting on this whole MVP subject thing....

I for one was a bit taken back when I saw the poll on the front page which has MVP trouncing all other baseball games this season as the 'most wanted'. Here I thought this site was a much more open minded sim community than the IGN boards and there sits an EA game. Not that EA doens't make some great sports game, but a game, that while markedly improved last year, still was running third by my last count.

And so far this year all we have to go by is the pre-release hype machines from all the camps and this back-from-the-stink-pile-just-one-year-ago MVP game is running away with the race? I mean, even with football and basketball the poll has never been so lop-sided especially for a game still on training wheels.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. I could care less what game people enjoy and buy ... although if the poll margins equates to sales revenue I hope we all still have choices next season as well.

<hr /></blockquote>

That was probably the most well-written post I've seen here in months - regardless of content.

Just so happens that I agree with you, though.

EA games sale and are incredibly popular regardless of merit. Maybe the game's good, maybe it's awful - but that has very little impact on hype and sales for any of their games.

The OS guys are usually very pessimistic and quick to spot flaws in games. That's why I was so stunned when they played the MVP beta at an EA event and came back telling the boards - to a person - that it was a virtually flawless game. I mean, they were making blanket statements like that right away. That really threw me.

Now that I've seen videos of it, I can definitely say that it looks 100 percent like an EA game... the Madden/SSX/NBA Live/FIFA of baseball. In my book, that's good and bad. But obviously the OS guys only see the upside... which really surprises me. Everytime they get asked about a feature the game doesn't have or something that it doesn't do as well as other titles, they always give the same answer: "Yeah, but that doesn't really bother me at all."

I guess that's what it comes down to.

Still, it's strange that so many things don't bother critics about MVP but seemingly smaller details DO bother them about other games.

<hr /></blockquote>

Good thread. I'm looking forward to MVP, but I agree with what you guys are saying. IGN has had a daily blow out of MVP for a couple of weeks now, and they've never mentioned something like the strike zone starts up around some players' heads. I'm just surprised how quickly and completely some people have been taken in by MVP. There's a game that looks just as impressive graphically, if not more so, sitting there in MLB. Yet the MLB boards are a ghost town (unfortunately). Guess that's where some of those marketing dollars have come up big for EA recently.

Daily IGN blowouts, inviting media out to play their game all day (and I'm assuming paying their way..though I have no way of knowing that), those kinds of things have really stoked about 50% of OS readers, I guess.

**GTheorenHobbes** · 02-23-2004, 09:59 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
cub said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
lnin0 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
asianflow said:
As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote>Ummm...how do you explain that crap they call Medal of Honor Rising Sun being a top 5 seller last holiday. The game was horrible. I bet you still remember the pretty CGI ads of a torpedo cutting through the water that you saw all Christmas long, though.

Anyway, I am just saying everything is not as clear cut as you make it sound.

While Im venting on this whole MVP subject thing....

I for one was a bit taken back when I saw the poll on the front page which has MVP trouncing all other baseball games this season as the 'most wanted'. Here I thought this site was a much more open minded sim community than the IGN boards and there sits an EA game. Not that EA doens't make some great sports game, but a game, that while markedly improved last year, still was running third by my last count.

And so far this year all we have to go by is the pre-release hype machines from all the camps and this back-from-the-stink-pile-just-one-year-ago MVP game is running away with the race? I mean, even with football and basketball the poll has never been so lop-sided especially for a game still on training wheels.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. I could care less what game people enjoy and buy ... although if the poll margins equates to sales revenue I hope we all still have choices next season as well.

<hr /></blockquote>

That was probably the most well-written post I've seen here in months - regardless of content.

Just so happens that I agree with you, though.

EA games sale and are incredibly popular regardless of merit. Maybe the game's good, maybe it's awful - but that has very little impact on hype and sales for any of their games.

The OS guys are usually very pessimistic and quick to spot flaws in games. That's why I was so stunned when they played the MVP beta at an EA event and came back telling the boards - to a person - that it was a virtually flawless game. I mean, they were making blanket statements like that right away. That really threw me.

Now that I've seen videos of it, I can definitely say that it looks 100 percent like an EA game... the Madden/SSX/NBA Live/FIFA of baseball. In my book, that's good and bad. But obviously the OS guys only see the upside... which really surprises me. Everytime they get asked about a feature the game doesn't have or something that it doesn't do as well as other titles, they always give the same answer: "Yeah, but that doesn't really bother me at all."

I guess that's what it comes down to.

Still, it's strange that so many things don't bother critics about MVP but seemingly smaller details DO bother them about other games.

<hr /></blockquote>

Good thread. I'm looking forward to MVP, but I agree with what you guys are saying. IGN has had a daily blow out of MVP for a couple of weeks now, and they've never mentioned something like the strike zone starts up around some players' heads. I'm just surprised how quickly and completely some people have been taken in by MVP. There's a game that looks just as impressive graphically, if not more so, sitting there in MLB. Yet the MLB boards are a ghost town (unfortunately). Guess that's where some of those marketing dollars have come up big for EA recently.

Daily IGN blowouts, inviting media out to play their game all day (and I'm assuming paying their way..though I have no way of knowing that), those kinds of things have really stoked about 50% of OS readers, I guess.

**Jistic** · 02-23-2004, 10:24 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

Attn Mods:

Can we put a copy of this in the ESPN football forum? Thanks.

**Jistic** · 02-23-2004, 10:24 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

Attn Mods:

Can we put a copy of this in the ESPN football forum? Thanks.

**Jistic** · 02-23-2004, 10:24 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

Attn Mods:

Can we put a copy of this in the ESPN football forum? Thanks.

**cub** · 02-23-2004, 10:39 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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GTheorenHobbes said:
I'm looking forward to MVP, but I agree with what you guys are saying. IGN has had a daily blow out of MVP for a couple of weeks now, and they've never mentioned something like the strike zone starts up around some players' heads. I'm just surprised how quickly and completely some people have been taken in by MVP. There's a game that looks just as impressive graphically, if not more so, sitting there in MLB. Yet the MLB boards are a ghost town (unfortunately).

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Yeah, that's just the kind of thing I mean.

I'm not calling anyone biased or paid off... I'm just saying that critics seem to be much more forgiving of MVP than the other baseball games for whatever reason.

I agree with you about MLB. It looks really good. Wish I owned a PS2.

**cub** · 02-23-2004, 10:39 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
GTheorenHobbes said:
I'm looking forward to MVP, but I agree with what you guys are saying. IGN has had a daily blow out of MVP for a couple of weeks now, and they've never mentioned something like the strike zone starts up around some players' heads. I'm just surprised how quickly and completely some people have been taken in by MVP. There's a game that looks just as impressive graphically, if not more so, sitting there in MLB. Yet the MLB boards are a ghost town (unfortunately).

<hr /></blockquote>

Yeah, that's just the kind of thing I mean.

I'm not calling anyone biased or paid off... I'm just saying that critics seem to be much more forgiving of MVP than the other baseball games for whatever reason.

I agree with you about MLB. It looks really good. Wish I owned a PS2.

**cub** · 02-23-2004, 10:39 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
GTheorenHobbes said:
I'm looking forward to MVP, but I agree with what you guys are saying. IGN has had a daily blow out of MVP for a couple of weeks now, and they've never mentioned something like the strike zone starts up around some players' heads. I'm just surprised how quickly and completely some people have been taken in by MVP. There's a game that looks just as impressive graphically, if not more so, sitting there in MLB. Yet the MLB boards are a ghost town (unfortunately).

<hr /></blockquote>

Yeah, that's just the kind of thing I mean.

I'm not calling anyone biased or paid off... I'm just saying that critics seem to be much more forgiving of MVP than the other baseball games for whatever reason.

I agree with you about MLB. It looks really good. Wish I owned a PS2.

**devilsjaw** · 02-24-2004, 12:19 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

I don't understand why so many people care how EA market's their games. If you feel more comfortable buying one game over the other, then do it. Who cares what a lousy poll says on the front of a website. Buy what you feel is the best game. If EA wants to spend a ton of money trying to make their game look the best, let them.

**devilsjaw** · 02-24-2004, 12:19 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

I don't understand why so many people care how EA market's their games. If you feel more comfortable buying one game over the other, then do it. Who cares what a lousy poll says on the front of a website. Buy what you feel is the best game. If EA wants to spend a ton of money trying to make their game look the best, let them.

**devilsjaw** · 02-24-2004, 12:19 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

I don't understand why so many people care how EA market's their games. If you feel more comfortable buying one game over the other, then do it. Who cares what a lousy poll says on the front of a website. Buy what you feel is the best game. If EA wants to spend a ton of money trying to make their game look the best, let them.

**cub** · 02-24-2004, 12:29 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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devilsjaw said:
I don't understand why so many people care how EA market's their games.

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I don't understand why you care that we care enough to troll on other boards telling people not to care.

And I don't know what's more infuriating - the cross-board fanboy witch hunt, or the butchering of the English language.

**cub** · 02-24-2004, 12:29 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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devilsjaw said:
I don't understand why so many people care how EA market's their games.

<hr /></blockquote>

I don't understand why you care that we care enough to troll on other boards telling people not to care.

And I don't know what's more infuriating - the cross-board fanboy witch hunt, or the butchering of the English language.

Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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