Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

[GTheorenHobbes]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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asianflow said:
Personally the more games the better for the consumer.

I like having choices.

As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

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That's not entirely true, Asianflow. Triple Play was a top selling baseball game for years, and for years it was lousy. Same with NHL. I'm as glad as the next guy that EA finally has a baseball game worth buying again, I just wish it wouldn't have taken them so long to step up to the plate, so to speak, in junking Triple Play. I'm pretty sure we're going to have at least 3 quality baseball games to choose from this year, and possibly a 4th if ESPN pulls it together. For me, that's a great thing. Sure beats the hell out of when it was pretty much Triple Play or nothing.

[Crucial Mike]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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GTheorenHobbes said:
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asianflow said:
Personally the more games the better for the consumer.

I like having choices.

As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

That's not entirely true, Asianflow. Triple Play was a top selling baseball game for years, and for years it was lousy. Same with NHL. I'm as glad as the next guy that EA finally has a baseball game worth buying again, I just wish it wouldn't have taken them so long to step up to the plate, so to speak, in junking Triple Play. I'm pretty sure we're going to have at least 3 quality baseball games to choose from this year, and possibly a 4th if ESPN pulls it together. For me, that's a great thing. Sure beats the hell out of when it was pretty much Triple Play or nothing.

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Somehow I don't think ESPN has dropped out of contention. Certainly not below 989's effort. It scored 9's across the board last year and has only improved (even if only minor- yet to be determined).

What I like about EA and MVP these last two years, is that they are trying to be very innovative. The pitching meter, picture in picture baserunning, playable minor leagues, controllable slides, etc...All things they didn't have to do, but really add to the realism of the game I think.

Each game seems to have their own special innovations. In the end, we get lucky because there is something out there for everyone.

[Crucial Mike]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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GTheorenHobbes said:
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asianflow said:
Personally the more games the better for the consumer.

I like having choices.

As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

That's not entirely true, Asianflow. Triple Play was a top selling baseball game for years, and for years it was lousy. Same with NHL. I'm as glad as the next guy that EA finally has a baseball game worth buying again, I just wish it wouldn't have taken them so long to step up to the plate, so to speak, in junking Triple Play. I'm pretty sure we're going to have at least 3 quality baseball games to choose from this year, and possibly a 4th if ESPN pulls it together. For me, that's a great thing. Sure beats the hell out of when it was pretty much Triple Play or nothing.

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Somehow I don't think ESPN has dropped out of contention. Certainly not below 989's effort. It scored 9's across the board last year and has only improved (even if only minor- yet to be determined).

What I like about EA and MVP these last two years, is that they are trying to be very innovative. The pitching meter, picture in picture baserunning, playable minor leagues, controllable slides, etc...All things they didn't have to do, but really add to the realism of the game I think.

Each game seems to have their own special innovations. In the end, we get lucky because there is something out there for everyone.

[Crucial Mike]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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GTheorenHobbes said:
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asianflow said:
Personally the more games the better for the consumer.

I like having choices.

As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

That's not entirely true, Asianflow. Triple Play was a top selling baseball game for years, and for years it was lousy. Same with NHL. I'm as glad as the next guy that EA finally has a baseball game worth buying again, I just wish it wouldn't have taken them so long to step up to the plate, so to speak, in junking Triple Play. I'm pretty sure we're going to have at least 3 quality baseball games to choose from this year, and possibly a 4th if ESPN pulls it together. For me, that's a great thing. Sure beats the hell out of when it was pretty much Triple Play or nothing.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

Somehow I don't think ESPN has dropped out of contention. Certainly not below 989's effort. It scored 9's across the board last year and has only improved (even if only minor- yet to be determined).

What I like about EA and MVP these last two years, is that they are trying to be very innovative. The pitching meter, picture in picture baserunning, playable minor leagues, controllable slides, etc...All things they didn't have to do, but really add to the realism of the game I think.

Each game seems to have their own special innovations. In the end, we get lucky because there is something out there for everyone.

[lnin0]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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asianflow said:
As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">Ummm...how do you explain that crap they call Medal of Honor Rising Sun being a top 5 seller last holiday. The game was horrible. I bet you still remember the pretty CGI ads of a torpedo cutting through the water that you saw all Christmas long, though.

Anyway, I am just saying everything is not as clear cut as you make it sound.

While Im venting on this whole MVP subject thing....

I for one was a bit taken back when I saw the poll on the front page which has MVP trouncing all other baseball games this season as the 'most wanted'. Here I thought this site was a much more open minded sim community than the IGN boards and there sits an EA game. Not that EA doens't make some great sports game, but a game, that while markedly improved last year, still was running third by my last count.

And so far this year all we have to go by is the pre-release hype machines from all the camps and this back-from-the-stink-pile-just-one-year-ago MVP game is running away with the race? I mean, even with football and basketball the poll has never been so lop-sided especially for a game still on training wheels.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. I could care less what game people enjoy and buy ... although if the poll margins equates to sales revenue I hope we all still have choices next season as well.

[lnin0]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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asianflow said:
As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">Ummm...how do you explain that crap they call Medal of Honor Rising Sun being a top 5 seller last holiday. The game was horrible. I bet you still remember the pretty CGI ads of a torpedo cutting through the water that you saw all Christmas long, though.

Anyway, I am just saying everything is not as clear cut as you make it sound.

While Im venting on this whole MVP subject thing....

I for one was a bit taken back when I saw the poll on the front page which has MVP trouncing all other baseball games this season as the 'most wanted'. Here I thought this site was a much more open minded sim community than the IGN boards and there sits an EA game. Not that EA doens't make some great sports game, but a game, that while markedly improved last year, still was running third by my last count.

And so far this year all we have to go by is the pre-release hype machines from all the camps and this back-from-the-stink-pile-just-one-year-ago MVP game is running away with the race? I mean, even with football and basketball the poll has never been so lop-sided especially for a game still on training wheels.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. I could care less what game people enjoy and buy ... although if the poll margins equates to sales revenue I hope we all still have choices next season as well.

[lnin0]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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asianflow said:
As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">Ummm...how do you explain that crap they call Medal of Honor Rising Sun being a top 5 seller last holiday. The game was horrible. I bet you still remember the pretty CGI ads of a torpedo cutting through the water that you saw all Christmas long, though.

Anyway, I am just saying everything is not as clear cut as you make it sound.

While Im venting on this whole MVP subject thing....

I for one was a bit taken back when I saw the poll on the front page which has MVP trouncing all other baseball games this season as the 'most wanted'. Here I thought this site was a much more open minded sim community than the IGN boards and there sits an EA game. Not that EA doens't make some great sports game, but a game, that while markedly improved last year, still was running third by my last count.

And so far this year all we have to go by is the pre-release hype machines from all the camps and this back-from-the-stink-pile-just-one-year-ago MVP game is running away with the race? I mean, even with football and basketball the poll has never been so lop-sided especially for a game still on training wheels.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. I could care less what game people enjoy and buy ... although if the poll margins equates to sales revenue I hope we all still have choices next season as well.

[Lester206]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

EA has really been stepping it up lately with innovative features in all their games. NBA Live's freestyle control was genious. Fight Night's new Total Punch control looks like it will change boxing games forever. these new creative ideas are revolutionizing the way we play games. EA has been giving us even more control over whats going on in the game. i think people are liking the fact that we are getting a lot more control than what we use to be limited to. EA is so popular because they were one of the first ones that brought out simulation sports games. these new innovations are what is keeping the sales up for EA

[Lester206]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

EA has really been stepping it up lately with innovative features in all their games. NBA Live's freestyle control was genious. Fight Night's new Total Punch control looks like it will change boxing games forever. these new creative ideas are revolutionizing the way we play games. EA has been giving us even more control over whats going on in the game. i think people are liking the fact that we are getting a lot more control than what we use to be limited to. EA is so popular because they were one of the first ones that brought out simulation sports games. these new innovations are what is keeping the sales up for EA

[Lester206]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

EA has really been stepping it up lately with innovative features in all their games. NBA Live's freestyle control was genious. Fight Night's new Total Punch control looks like it will change boxing games forever. these new creative ideas are revolutionizing the way we play games. EA has been giving us even more control over whats going on in the game. i think people are liking the fact that we are getting a lot more control than what we use to be limited to. EA is so popular because they were one of the first ones that brought out simulation sports games. these new innovations are what is keeping the sales up for EA

[cub]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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lnin0 said:
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asianflow said:
As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">Ummm...how do you explain that crap they call Medal of Honor Rising Sun being a top 5 seller last holiday. The game was horrible. I bet you still remember the pretty CGI ads of a torpedo cutting through the water that you saw all Christmas long, though.

Anyway, I am just saying everything is not as clear cut as you make it sound.

While Im venting on this whole MVP subject thing....

I for one was a bit taken back when I saw the poll on the front page which has MVP trouncing all other baseball games this season as the 'most wanted'. Here I thought this site was a much more open minded sim community than the IGN boards and there sits an EA game. Not that EA doens't make some great sports game, but a game, that while markedly improved last year, still was running third by my last count.

And so far this year all we have to go by is the pre-release hype machines from all the camps and this back-from-the-stink-pile-just-one-year-ago MVP game is running away with the race? I mean, even with football and basketball the poll has never been so lop-sided especially for a game still on training wheels.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. I could care less what game people enjoy and buy ... although if the poll margins equates to sales revenue I hope we all still have choices next season as well.


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That was probably the most well-written post I've seen here in months - regardless of content.

Just so happens that I agree with you, though.

EA games sale and are incredibly popular regardless of merit. Maybe the game's good, maybe it's awful - but that has very little impact on hype and sales for any of their games.

The OS guys are usually very pessimistic and quick to spot flaws in games. That's why I was so stunned when they played the MVP beta at an EA event and came back telling the boards - to a person - that it was a virtually flawless game. I mean, they were making blanket statements like that right away. That really threw me.

Now that I've seen videos of it, I can definitely say that it looks 100 percent like an EA game... the Madden/SSX/NBA Live/FIFA of baseball. In my book, that's good and bad. But obviously the OS guys only see the upside... which really surprises me. Everytime they get asked about a feature the game doesn't have or something that it doesn't do as well as other titles, they always give the same answer: "Yeah, but that doesn't really bother me at all."

I guess that's what it comes down to.

Still, it's strange that so many things don't bother critics about MVP but seemingly smaller details DO bother them about other games.

[cub]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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lnin0 said:
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asianflow said:
As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">Ummm...how do you explain that crap they call Medal of Honor Rising Sun being a top 5 seller last holiday. The game was horrible. I bet you still remember the pretty CGI ads of a torpedo cutting through the water that you saw all Christmas long, though.

Anyway, I am just saying everything is not as clear cut as you make it sound.

While Im venting on this whole MVP subject thing....

I for one was a bit taken back when I saw the poll on the front page which has MVP trouncing all other baseball games this season as the 'most wanted'. Here I thought this site was a much more open minded sim community than the IGN boards and there sits an EA game. Not that EA doens't make some great sports game, but a game, that while markedly improved last year, still was running third by my last count.

And so far this year all we have to go by is the pre-release hype machines from all the camps and this back-from-the-stink-pile-just-one-year-ago MVP game is running away with the race? I mean, even with football and basketball the poll has never been so lop-sided especially for a game still on training wheels.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. I could care less what game people enjoy and buy ... although if the poll margins equates to sales revenue I hope we all still have choices next season as well.


<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

That was probably the most well-written post I've seen here in months - regardless of content.

Just so happens that I agree with you, though.

EA games sale and are incredibly popular regardless of merit. Maybe the game's good, maybe it's awful - but that has very little impact on hype and sales for any of their games.

The OS guys are usually very pessimistic and quick to spot flaws in games. That's why I was so stunned when they played the MVP beta at an EA event and came back telling the boards - to a person - that it was a virtually flawless game. I mean, they were making blanket statements like that right away. That really threw me.

Now that I've seen videos of it, I can definitely say that it looks 100 percent like an EA game... the Madden/SSX/NBA Live/FIFA of baseball. In my book, that's good and bad. But obviously the OS guys only see the upside... which really surprises me. Everytime they get asked about a feature the game doesn't have or something that it doesn't do as well as other titles, they always give the same answer: "Yeah, but that doesn't really bother me at all."

I guess that's what it comes down to.

Still, it's strange that so many things don't bother critics about MVP but seemingly smaller details DO bother them about other games.

[cub]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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lnin0 said:
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asianflow said:
As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">Ummm...how do you explain that crap they call Medal of Honor Rising Sun being a top 5 seller last holiday. The game was horrible. I bet you still remember the pretty CGI ads of a torpedo cutting through the water that you saw all Christmas long, though.

Anyway, I am just saying everything is not as clear cut as you make it sound.

While Im venting on this whole MVP subject thing....

I for one was a bit taken back when I saw the poll on the front page which has MVP trouncing all other baseball games this season as the 'most wanted'. Here I thought this site was a much more open minded sim community than the IGN boards and there sits an EA game. Not that EA doens't make some great sports game, but a game, that while markedly improved last year, still was running third by my last count.

And so far this year all we have to go by is the pre-release hype machines from all the camps and this back-from-the-stink-pile-just-one-year-ago MVP game is running away with the race? I mean, even with football and basketball the poll has never been so lop-sided especially for a game still on training wheels.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. I could care less what game people enjoy and buy ... although if the poll margins equates to sales revenue I hope we all still have choices next season as well.


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That was probably the most well-written post I've seen here in months - regardless of content.

Just so happens that I agree with you, though.

EA games sale and are incredibly popular regardless of merit. Maybe the game's good, maybe it's awful - but that has very little impact on hype and sales for any of their games.

The OS guys are usually very pessimistic and quick to spot flaws in games. That's why I was so stunned when they played the MVP beta at an EA event and came back telling the boards - to a person - that it was a virtually flawless game. I mean, they were making blanket statements like that right away. That really threw me.

Now that I've seen videos of it, I can definitely say that it looks 100 percent like an EA game... the Madden/SSX/NBA Live/FIFA of baseball. In my book, that's good and bad. But obviously the OS guys only see the upside... which really surprises me. Everytime they get asked about a feature the game doesn't have or something that it doesn't do as well as other titles, they always give the same answer: "Yeah, but that doesn't really bother me at all."

I guess that's what it comes down to.

Still, it's strange that so many things don't bother critics about MVP but seemingly smaller details DO bother them about other games.

[Crucial Mike]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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cub said:
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lnin0 said:
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asianflow said:
As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">Ummm...how do you explain that crap they call Medal of Honor Rising Sun being a top 5 seller last holiday. The game was horrible. I bet you still remember the pretty CGI ads of a torpedo cutting through the water that you saw all Christmas long, though.

Anyway, I am just saying everything is not as clear cut as you make it sound.

While Im venting on this whole MVP subject thing....

I for one was a bit taken back when I saw the poll on the front page which has MVP trouncing all other baseball games this season as the 'most wanted'. Here I thought this site was a much more open minded sim community than the IGN boards and there sits an EA game. Not that EA doens't make some great sports game, but a game, that while markedly improved last year, still was running third by my last count.

And so far this year all we have to go by is the pre-release hype machines from all the camps and this back-from-the-stink-pile-just-one-year-ago MVP game is running away with the race? I mean, even with football and basketball the poll has never been so lop-sided especially for a game still on training wheels.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. I could care less what game people enjoy and buy ... although if the poll margins equates to sales revenue I hope we all still have choices next season as well.


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That was probably the most well-written post I've seen here in months - regardless of content.

Just so happens that I agree with you, though.

EA games sale and are incredibly popular regardless of merit. Maybe the game's good, maybe it's awful - but that has very little impact on hype and sales for any of their games.

The OS guys are usually very pessimistic and quick to spot flaws in games. That's why I was so stunned when they played the MVP beta at an EA event and came back telling the boards - to a person - that it was a virtually flawless game. I mean, they were making blanket statements like that right away. That really threw me.

Now that I've seen videos of it, I can definitely say that it looks 100 percent like an EA game... the Madden/SSX/NBA Live/FIFA of baseball. In my book, that's good and bad. But obviously the OS guys only see the upside... which really surprises me. Everytime they get asked about a feature the game doesn't have or something that it doesn't do as well as other titles, they always give the same answer: "Yeah, but that doesn't really bother me at all."

I guess that's what it comes down to.

Still, it's strange that so many things don't bother critics about MVP but seemingly smaller details DO bother them about other games.

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So now OS is biased towards EA games? Likely not- these guys are honest hard working gamers who strive for perfection (my impression anyways).

I just don't understand the whole "MVP isn't a sim" claim. How is ASB that much more of a sim than MVP? Collision detection? Putting a guy on waivers? These are nice features- not things that make a game a sim over another.

One could claim that a game like MVP which has:

Tons of hit varieties- fouls to the backstop, etc...
Different kinds of slides
Incredible fielding animations
Highly intelligent crowd noise AI
etc...

was a "sim" game. no?

I think ASB looks great...don't get me wrong- I just don't see that whole sim vs. arcade distinction between it and MVP.

[Crucial Mike]

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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cub said:
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lnin0 said:
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asianflow said:
As for EA, the reason their games sell so well is because they makes great games. Look at the reviews of their games, and the majority are excellent.

If EA produced crap, then they wouldn't have so many million selling franchises.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">Ummm...how do you explain that crap they call Medal of Honor Rising Sun being a top 5 seller last holiday. The game was horrible. I bet you still remember the pretty CGI ads of a torpedo cutting through the water that you saw all Christmas long, though.

Anyway, I am just saying everything is not as clear cut as you make it sound.

While Im venting on this whole MVP subject thing....

I for one was a bit taken back when I saw the poll on the front page which has MVP trouncing all other baseball games this season as the 'most wanted'. Here I thought this site was a much more open minded sim community than the IGN boards and there sits an EA game. Not that EA doens't make some great sports game, but a game, that while markedly improved last year, still was running third by my last count.

And so far this year all we have to go by is the pre-release hype machines from all the camps and this back-from-the-stink-pile-just-one-year-ago MVP game is running away with the race? I mean, even with football and basketball the poll has never been so lop-sided especially for a game still on training wheels.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. I could care less what game people enjoy and buy ... although if the poll margins equates to sales revenue I hope we all still have choices next season as well.


<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

That was probably the most well-written post I've seen here in months - regardless of content.

Just so happens that I agree with you, though.

EA games sale and are incredibly popular regardless of merit. Maybe the game's good, maybe it's awful - but that has very little impact on hype and sales for any of their games.

The OS guys are usually very pessimistic and quick to spot flaws in games. That's why I was so stunned when they played the MVP beta at an EA event and came back telling the boards - to a person - that it was a virtually flawless game. I mean, they were making blanket statements like that right away. That really threw me.

Now that I've seen videos of it, I can definitely say that it looks 100 percent like an EA game... the Madden/SSX/NBA Live/FIFA of baseball. In my book, that's good and bad. But obviously the OS guys only see the upside... which really surprises me. Everytime they get asked about a feature the game doesn't have or something that it doesn't do as well as other titles, they always give the same answer: "Yeah, but that doesn't really bother me at all."

I guess that's what it comes down to.

Still, it's strange that so many things don't bother critics about MVP but seemingly smaller details DO bother them about other games.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

So now OS is biased towards EA games? Likely not- these guys are honest hard working gamers who strive for perfection (my impression anyways).

I just don't understand the whole "MVP isn't a sim" claim. How is ASB that much more of a sim than MVP? Collision detection? Putting a guy on waivers? These are nice features- not things that make a game a sim over another.

One could claim that a game like MVP which has:

Tons of hit varieties- fouls to the backstop, etc...
Different kinds of slides
Incredible fielding animations
Highly intelligent crowd noise AI
etc...

was a "sim" game. no?

I think ASB looks great...don't get me wrong- I just don't see that whole sim vs. arcade distinction between it and MVP.