why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

**SoMiss2000** · 03-01-2004, 01:30 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
cub said:
I really don't care what game other people buy.

But reading all of the dismissals of ASB based entirely on misinformation (and complaints about ASB 2002 or whatever) gets kinda irritating... regardless of which game they buy.

They say "I hate the cursor! MVP/ESPN has non-cursor batting." You say "Umm... ASB had that last year."

They say "Well the gameplay hasn't changed!" You say, "Have you read a preview?"

They say "I don't need to read a preview to know it hasn't changed! Go away, fanboy!"

Etc.

Over time... and dozens and dozens of people like that... it just gets really frustrating. Meanwhile you've got IGN creating in-depth previews and hourlong movies of MVP every day, and their beta copy of ASB just sits there gathering dust.

I understand that games like MVP are tailor-made for game critics and people like Hil at IGN, but the end result is a lot of underinformed consumers.

And posts like the one I described.

<hr /></blockquote>Still, I'm like, So F'ing What? Ignore it! It's that individual's responsibility to seek out information on a particular item if they're interested in it. I'm not one to try to become informed about a product i'm not interested in. I can understand you correcting those people when they're wrong. I wish people would say, hey, I don't want ASB instead of making up a reason not to like it. No matter what season it is, people feel like they have to justify their purchases. The great thing is, after the games are out, you won't even worry about what's going on in other forums if you don't have those games.

Also, it doesn't look like we'll be getting ASB at the same time as MVP anyways as there's no indication that it has gon e Gold.

**cub** · 03-01-2004, 02:50 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
SoMiss2000 said:
Also, it doesn't look like we'll be getting ASB at the same time as MVP anyways as there's no indication that it has gon e Gold.

<hr /></blockquote>

Sometimes there's not an announcement.

Most of the time there's not an announcement.

**cub** · 03-01-2004, 02:50 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
SoMiss2000 said:
Also, it doesn't look like we'll be getting ASB at the same time as MVP anyways as there's no indication that it has gon e Gold.

<hr /></blockquote>

Sometimes there's not an announcement.

Most of the time there's not an announcement.

**cub** · 03-01-2004, 02:50 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
SoMiss2000 said:
Also, it doesn't look like we'll be getting ASB at the same time as MVP anyways as there's no indication that it has gon e Gold.

<hr /></blockquote>

Sometimes there's not an announcement.

Most of the time there's not an announcement.

**JRod** · 03-01-2004, 03:52 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

Stoud,

Tell me what game have you played solely for the graphics. My point is that while MLB, ASB and WSB have improved their graphics, MVP has but some poeple finedit cartoony, I won't be playing a game two weeks from release date if the gameplay is poor.

As for ASB, the movies look very much that same and I will be honest, I haven't seen enough movies to see huge improvements. That's not because I haven't downloaded them, it's because either acclaim or these web sources aren't releaseing enough stuff.

As for the press releases they really haven't offered that much while movies and pics do more. The press release for ASB doesn't really offer that much in terms of improvements of gameplay other than the standard line it's deep and improved. Okay but we need more...

And everybody is right most sites aren't giving this game enough press maybe if we were to see more than people would get more excited about this game, but the lack of movies and a rather absense of new information of the game gives the impressions it's more of the same.

Now NO ONE HAS THE GAME SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW ASB PLAYS. If it's good, I'll be playing it. If MVP is good i'll be playing that. If any game is good this year I'll be playing it.

So I would like for some of you that think I'm anti-ASB fine something wrong with this post. If ASB is good and better than the rest I'll be playing it. But now why should poeple like stoud take any interest in how I spend my $50 and what games I like.

**JRod** · 03-01-2004, 03:52 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

Stoud,

Tell me what game have you played solely for the graphics. My point is that while MLB, ASB and WSB have improved their graphics, MVP has but some poeple finedit cartoony, I won't be playing a game two weeks from release date if the gameplay is poor.

As for ASB, the movies look very much that same and I will be honest, I haven't seen enough movies to see huge improvements. That's not because I haven't downloaded them, it's because either acclaim or these web sources aren't releaseing enough stuff.

As for the press releases they really haven't offered that much while movies and pics do more. The press release for ASB doesn't really offer that much in terms of improvements of gameplay other than the standard line it's deep and improved. Okay but we need more...

And everybody is right most sites aren't giving this game enough press maybe if we were to see more than people would get more excited about this game, but the lack of movies and a rather absense of new information of the game gives the impressions it's more of the same.

Now NO ONE HAS THE GAME SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW ASB PLAYS. If it's good, I'll be playing it. If MVP is good i'll be playing that. If any game is good this year I'll be playing it.

So I would like for some of you that think I'm anti-ASB fine something wrong with this post. If ASB is good and better than the rest I'll be playing it. But now why should poeple like stoud take any interest in how I spend my $50 and what games I like.

**JRod** · 03-01-2004, 03:52 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

Stoud,

Tell me what game have you played solely for the graphics. My point is that while MLB, ASB and WSB have improved their graphics, MVP has but some poeple finedit cartoony, I won't be playing a game two weeks from release date if the gameplay is poor.

As for ASB, the movies look very much that same and I will be honest, I haven't seen enough movies to see huge improvements. That's not because I haven't downloaded them, it's because either acclaim or these web sources aren't releaseing enough stuff.

As for the press releases they really haven't offered that much while movies and pics do more. The press release for ASB doesn't really offer that much in terms of improvements of gameplay other than the standard line it's deep and improved. Okay but we need more...

And everybody is right most sites aren't giving this game enough press maybe if we were to see more than people would get more excited about this game, but the lack of movies and a rather absense of new information of the game gives the impressions it's more of the same.

Now NO ONE HAS THE GAME SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW ASB PLAYS. If it's good, I'll be playing it. If MVP is good i'll be playing that. If any game is good this year I'll be playing it.

So I would like for some of you that think I'm anti-ASB fine something wrong with this post. If ASB is good and better than the rest I'll be playing it. But now why should poeple like stoud take any interest in how I spend my $50 and what games I like.

**CheckMate** · 03-01-2004, 06:15 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
SoMiss2000 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
cub said:
I really don't care what game other people buy.

But reading all of the dismissals of ASB based entirely on misinformation (and complaints about ASB 2002 or whatever) gets kinda irritating... regardless of which game they buy.

They say "I hate the cursor! MVP/ESPN has non-cursor batting." You say "Umm... ASB had that last year."

They say "Well the gameplay hasn't changed!" You say, "Have you read a preview?"

They say "I don't need to read a preview to know it hasn't changed! Go away, fanboy!"

Etc.

Over time... and dozens and dozens of people like that... it just gets really frustrating. Meanwhile you've got IGN creating in-depth previews and hourlong movies of MVP every day, and their beta copy of ASB just sits there gathering dust.

I understand that games like MVP are tailor-made for game critics and people like Hil at IGN, but the end result is a lot of underinformed consumers.

And posts like the one I described.

<hr /></blockquote>Still, I'm like, So F'ing What? Ignore it! It's that individual's responsibility to seek out information on a particular item if they're interested in it. I'm not one to try to become informed about a product i'm not interested in. I can understand you correcting those people when they're wrong. I wish people would say, hey, I don't want ASB instead of making up a reason not to like it. No matter what season it is, people feel like they have to justify their purchases. The great thing is, after the games are out, you won't even worry about what's going on in other forums if you don't have those games.

Also, it doesn't look like we'll be getting ASB at the same time as MVP anyways as there's no indication that it has gon e Gold.

<hr /></blockquote>

Some people are so damn sensitive when it comes to videogames.

**CheckMate** · 03-01-2004, 06:15 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
SoMiss2000 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
cub said:
I really don't care what game other people buy.

But reading all of the dismissals of ASB based entirely on misinformation (and complaints about ASB 2002 or whatever) gets kinda irritating... regardless of which game they buy.

They say "I hate the cursor! MVP/ESPN has non-cursor batting." You say "Umm... ASB had that last year."

They say "Well the gameplay hasn't changed!" You say, "Have you read a preview?"

They say "I don't need to read a preview to know it hasn't changed! Go away, fanboy!"

Etc.

Over time... and dozens and dozens of people like that... it just gets really frustrating. Meanwhile you've got IGN creating in-depth previews and hourlong movies of MVP every day, and their beta copy of ASB just sits there gathering dust.

I understand that games like MVP are tailor-made for game critics and people like Hil at IGN, but the end result is a lot of underinformed consumers.

And posts like the one I described.

<hr /></blockquote>Still, I'm like, So F'ing What? Ignore it! It's that individual's responsibility to seek out information on a particular item if they're interested in it. I'm not one to try to become informed about a product i'm not interested in. I can understand you correcting those people when they're wrong. I wish people would say, hey, I don't want ASB instead of making up a reason not to like it. No matter what season it is, people feel like they have to justify their purchases. The great thing is, after the games are out, you won't even worry about what's going on in other forums if you don't have those games.

Also, it doesn't look like we'll be getting ASB at the same time as MVP anyways as there's no indication that it has gon e Gold.

<hr /></blockquote>

Some people are so damn sensitive when it comes to videogames.

**CheckMate** · 03-01-2004, 06:15 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
SoMiss2000 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
cub said:
I really don't care what game other people buy.

But reading all of the dismissals of ASB based entirely on misinformation (and complaints about ASB 2002 or whatever) gets kinda irritating... regardless of which game they buy.

They say "I hate the cursor! MVP/ESPN has non-cursor batting." You say "Umm... ASB had that last year."

They say "Well the gameplay hasn't changed!" You say, "Have you read a preview?"

They say "I don't need to read a preview to know it hasn't changed! Go away, fanboy!"

Etc.

Over time... and dozens and dozens of people like that... it just gets really frustrating. Meanwhile you've got IGN creating in-depth previews and hourlong movies of MVP every day, and their beta copy of ASB just sits there gathering dust.

I understand that games like MVP are tailor-made for game critics and people like Hil at IGN, but the end result is a lot of underinformed consumers.

And posts like the one I described.

<hr /></blockquote>Still, I'm like, So F'ing What? Ignore it! It's that individual's responsibility to seek out information on a particular item if they're interested in it. I'm not one to try to become informed about a product i'm not interested in. I can understand you correcting those people when they're wrong. I wish people would say, hey, I don't want ASB instead of making up a reason not to like it. No matter what season it is, people feel like they have to justify their purchases. The great thing is, after the games are out, you won't even worry about what's going on in other forums if you don't have those games.

Also, it doesn't look like we'll be getting ASB at the same time as MVP anyways as there's no indication that it has gon e Gold.

<hr /></blockquote>

Some people are so damn sensitive when it comes to videogames.

**Bacardi151** · 03-01-2004, 07:53 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
CheckMate said:

Some people are so damn sensitive when it comes to videogames.

<hr /></blockquote>

And that's really what it comes down to. Most of the posters here have already made up their mind which game they are getting. Others on the fence are looking for an 'advantage' one game has over the other. We go through this for every major sports game every year. Gaming is subjective people. Someone will want working scoreboards, while others want something else. Those who have to justify their purchase are the same people having a fight over which console is better. The same people who despise a company and the company's business model yet turn around and buy a game from said company.

You have the right to defend you title of choice, but really, does it get anyone anywhere else? Most likely the person bashing it will not get it, the person defending it will get it, and the person who isnt sure will head on over to gamreankings.com and see which game is rated the highest, and buy that one.

These types of threads get no one anywhere. Why should anyone need to give ASB respect? If ASB is as good as the developers say it is, it will sell itself. If MVP is good, it will sell itself, etc ,etc. Those who dont want to play the game will not play it; this also means that the company who created that game the player purchases catered to that type of player. Guess what? It was s sale.

Word of mouth helps, but it isnt the last defense of a game's popularity. Talk about the game that you are looking forward to, discuss with others about those same topics, and just forget about every other game and gamer who has their own agenda and thoughts on this game.With the way you guys draw these lines in the sand you would think the developers here would be at the forefront defending their game till the last man is left standing. But guess what? they aren't. They hope to sell as many copies as they can, and each company has a different way to go about it.

Let it go people. Let people justify their purchases if they want to. Be the better poster and just move on. Eventually if no one listens, then the thread will just go away.

** need my morning coffee **

**Bacardi151** · 03-01-2004, 07:53 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
CheckMate said:

Some people are so damn sensitive when it comes to videogames.

<hr /></blockquote>

And that's really what it comes down to. Most of the posters here have already made up their mind which game they are getting. Others on the fence are looking for an 'advantage' one game has over the other. We go through this for every major sports game every year. Gaming is subjective people. Someone will want working scoreboards, while others want something else. Those who have to justify their purchase are the same people having a fight over which console is better. The same people who despise a company and the company's business model yet turn around and buy a game from said company.

You have the right to defend you title of choice, but really, does it get anyone anywhere else? Most likely the person bashing it will not get it, the person defending it will get it, and the person who isnt sure will head on over to gamreankings.com and see which game is rated the highest, and buy that one.

These types of threads get no one anywhere. Why should anyone need to give ASB respect? If ASB is as good as the developers say it is, it will sell itself. If MVP is good, it will sell itself, etc ,etc. Those who dont want to play the game will not play it; this also means that the company who created that game the player purchases catered to that type of player. Guess what? It was s sale.

Word of mouth helps, but it isnt the last defense of a game's popularity. Talk about the game that you are looking forward to, discuss with others about those same topics, and just forget about every other game and gamer who has their own agenda and thoughts on this game.With the way you guys draw these lines in the sand you would think the developers here would be at the forefront defending their game till the last man is left standing. But guess what? they aren't. They hope to sell as many copies as they can, and each company has a different way to go about it.

Let it go people. Let people justify their purchases if they want to. Be the better poster and just move on. Eventually if no one listens, then the thread will just go away.

** need my morning coffee **

**Bacardi151** · 03-01-2004, 07:53 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
CheckMate said:

Some people are so damn sensitive when it comes to videogames.

<hr /></blockquote>

And that's really what it comes down to. Most of the posters here have already made up their mind which game they are getting. Others on the fence are looking for an 'advantage' one game has over the other. We go through this for every major sports game every year. Gaming is subjective people. Someone will want working scoreboards, while others want something else. Those who have to justify their purchase are the same people having a fight over which console is better. The same people who despise a company and the company's business model yet turn around and buy a game from said company.

You have the right to defend you title of choice, but really, does it get anyone anywhere else? Most likely the person bashing it will not get it, the person defending it will get it, and the person who isnt sure will head on over to gamreankings.com and see which game is rated the highest, and buy that one.

These types of threads get no one anywhere. Why should anyone need to give ASB respect? If ASB is as good as the developers say it is, it will sell itself. If MVP is good, it will sell itself, etc ,etc. Those who dont want to play the game will not play it; this also means that the company who created that game the player purchases catered to that type of player. Guess what? It was s sale.

Word of mouth helps, but it isnt the last defense of a game's popularity. Talk about the game that you are looking forward to, discuss with others about those same topics, and just forget about every other game and gamer who has their own agenda and thoughts on this game.With the way you guys draw these lines in the sand you would think the developers here would be at the forefront defending their game till the last man is left standing. But guess what? they aren't. They hope to sell as many copies as they can, and each company has a different way to go about it.

Let it go people. Let people justify their purchases if they want to. Be the better poster and just move on. Eventually if no one listens, then the thread will just go away.

** need my morning coffee **

**SoMiss2000** · 03-01-2004, 08:31 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Bacardi151 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
CheckMate said:

Some people are so damn sensitive when it comes to videogames.

<hr /></blockquote>

And that's really what it comes down to. Most of the posters here have already made up their mind which game they are getting. Others on the fence are looking for an 'advantage' one game has over the other. We go through this for every major sports game every year. Gaming is subjective people. Someone will want working scoreboards, while others want something else. Those who have to justify their purchase are the same people having a fight over which console is better. The same people who despise a company and the company's business model yet turn around and buy a game from said company.

You have the right to defend you title of choice, but really, does it get anyone anywhere else? Most likely the person bashing it will not get it, the person defending it will get it, and the person who isnt sure will head on over to gamreankings.com and see which game is rated the highest, and buy that one.

These types of threads get no one anywhere. Why should anyone need to give ASB respect? If ASB is as good as the developers say it is, it will sell itself. If MVP is good, it will sell itself, etc ,etc. Those who dont want to play the game will not play it; this also means that the company who created that game the player purchases catered to that type of player. Guess what? It was s sale.

Word of mouth helps, but it isnt the last defense of a game's popularity. Talk about the game that you are looking forward to, discuss with others about those same topics, and just forget about every other game and gamer who has their own agenda and thoughts on this game.With the way you guys draw these lines in the sand you would think the developers here would be at the forefront defending their game till the last man is left standing. But guess what? they aren't. They hope to sell as many copies as they can, and each company has a different way to go about it.

Let it go people. Let people justify their purchases if they want to. Be the better poster and just move on. Eventually if no one listens, then the thread will just go away.

** need my morning coffee **

<hr /></blockquote>

**SoMiss2000** · 03-01-2004, 08:31 AM

Re: why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Bacardi151 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
CheckMate said:

Some people are so damn sensitive when it comes to videogames.

<hr /></blockquote>

And that's really what it comes down to. Most of the posters here have already made up their mind which game they are getting. Others on the fence are looking for an 'advantage' one game has over the other. We go through this for every major sports game every year. Gaming is subjective people. Someone will want working scoreboards, while others want something else. Those who have to justify their purchase are the same people having a fight over which console is better. The same people who despise a company and the company's business model yet turn around and buy a game from said company.

You have the right to defend you title of choice, but really, does it get anyone anywhere else? Most likely the person bashing it will not get it, the person defending it will get it, and the person who isnt sure will head on over to gamreankings.com and see which game is rated the highest, and buy that one.

These types of threads get no one anywhere. Why should anyone need to give ASB respect? If ASB is as good as the developers say it is, it will sell itself. If MVP is good, it will sell itself, etc ,etc. Those who dont want to play the game will not play it; this also means that the company who created that game the player purchases catered to that type of player. Guess what? It was s sale.

Word of mouth helps, but it isnt the last defense of a game's popularity. Talk about the game that you are looking forward to, discuss with others about those same topics, and just forget about every other game and gamer who has their own agenda and thoughts on this game.With the way you guys draw these lines in the sand you would think the developers here would be at the forefront defending their game till the last man is left standing. But guess what? they aren't. They hope to sell as many copies as they can, and each company has a different way to go about it.

Let it go people. Let people justify their purchases if they want to. Be the better poster and just move on. Eventually if no one listens, then the thread will just go away.

** need my morning coffee **

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why is no one.. giving asb any respect???

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