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  • gallandro
    Pro
    • Jul 2003
    • 526

    #181
    Re: Patch Discussion

    Well, after a day with the patch I have found the gameplay on the field much better. But all-in-all it's still not worth it due to the other numerous problems that plague this title.

    1) For some reason my settings never hold from game to game even in Franchise Mode when I play one game and immediately go to the next. Using Classic Control... suddenly for no apparent reason I am using Swing Stick... annoying.

    2) Still having issues where errors are not being counted corrctly from game to game during a season.

    3) I have now run into the reported issue where the CPU is not putting players back into Major League starting Lineups on CPU controlled teams - Jeter was out two weeks with a torn calf muscle, and has spent the rest of the season in AAA.

    4) Sometimes the game appears to still generate artificial hits by not allowing the control of certain players (especially infield hits). I cannot tell you how many times routine grounders have rolled by my 3rd baseman and 2nd baseman without them moving at all, despite my moving the control stick. I know some claim it's an artifact of the player stats... I cry bull. The player is frozen in time, makes no effort to even put his glove to the ground or even make a play for the ball. What's even funnier is after I control the outfielder to grab the grounder the frozen player IS STILL standing frozen in place.

    5) Bunting... just plain silly in this game... why did they remove the drag bunting feature from previous years? It's just like an exercise in silliness... despite any setting I've used I can almost 100% of the time move a runner from 1st to 2nd, but what's worse is the CPU defense seems utterly confused on how to handle bunts. So what I was expecting to be a simple sacrifice bunt invaribly ends up being a bunt for a hit. I rarely get thrown out, even with my slowest players.

    6) Lack of animations. While I am not a big stickler on the graphics side of gaming, I would like to see some variety of animations when players make plays. Every play is like an instant replay of the previous play... SS and 2B's always make the same diving grabs, outfielders look virtually identical when they track down fly balls... just makes for a tedious game, and after a while I feel like I'm just going through the motions.

    At the end of the day MLB2K6, after the patch, is not a bad game... it just feels like a lazy, half-finished game. There's really not enough here to differentiate itself from previous versions of the 2K series... it's almost like playing 2K4, just on another platform.

    What's sad is there's a lot of good potential. Inside Edge is amazing and has frankly made me a better batter. I really examine my hitting strengths when I face certain pitchers and will wait for "my pitch". Meanwhile, the batter/pitcher interface is easily the best I've seen in any baseball video game.

    Unfortunately all of the numerous little glitches and bugs that infect this game distract from my overall enjoyment of MLB2K6. Hopefully next year Kush can get it's act together. But I will definitely wait for a few reviews before I plunk down my money again for next year's version.


    Yancy
    "Echo from the buttes, Give 'Em Hell Devils!"

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    • CaptainZombie
      Brains
      • Jul 2003
      • 37851

      #182
      Re: Patch Discussion

      Originally posted by Glenn33
      I agree 100% - and I'll explain further. Freezing issues aside - 2K6 is not a polished game. The animations, presentaion, gameplay, etc - it's all very rough at many spots. However - what is drawing you in is the "potential" This game once you get past all of the junk - is pretty deep. I have stated in other threads - MLB :06 is not a huge leap from MLB:05 (which was a great game too by the way) It just seems to me Sony spent their time cleaning up what they had to make it much more polished and better playing. Take notes Kusch!!!
      I really think that KUSH needs to do the same as what 989 Studios/SONY did w/MLB06 if they release a World Series Edition in the fall or next years 2K7. I think they need to take what they have off of this engine and refine it to the point where it runs flawlessly. I hope they don't build something new or even start adding more features. I think that "Inside Edge", the new pitching mechanics, and the fielding "momentum physics" are great.

      One thing that I like about the 2K company is that every year your not going to get the same exact game with a coat of paint like we have with a few EA Sports games. They continue to add and add features that is breaking down the game to the point where it's not working right.

      I hope they learned their lesson here.
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      • ofdman
        Rookie
        • Apr 2005
        • 390

        #183
        Re: Patch Discussion

        hmmm...I wonder if they will release a World Series edition this fall?

        or maybe provide yet another patch that would tidy up the weirdness more.

        Also, how does the *Inside Edge* work while batting? I thought it was only for pitching.
        "Because he's the hero Gotham deserves...but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him...because he can take it...because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector...the Dark Knight."

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        • jim416
          Banned
          • Feb 2003
          • 10606

          #184
          Re: Patch Discussion

          Candyman,

          I hope you're right. We need more baseball choices, but they don't appear to be on the horizon, so we're stuck with this game, SCEA and EAs college game (no thanks to college baseball, just my opinion), so that's two.

          SCEA, this year has everything going for them with a PS2 release that is embarrassing a "next generation" release. Put it aside that it's KUSHs first attempt because they botched it SO bad on a "next generation" console that was supposed to kick butt. Remember the anticipation..."whoa, it's coming to the 360!".

          How do they get out of this mess and get their reputation back? Don't know, but you're right about fixing the BASEBALL game. Geez, I wonder how much dev time went into the catcher cam or whatever it is? Add something new, ignore what needs to be fixed. When will they learn? Perhaps this mess will change that.

          Let's hope so.

          Now, will SCEA mess up what they've done for the next generation console?

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          • gallandro
            Pro
            • Jul 2003
            • 526

            #185
            Re: Patch Discussion

            Originally posted by ofdman
            hmmm...I wonder if they will release a World Series edition this fall?

            or maybe provide yet another patch that would tidy up the weirdness more.

            Also, how does the *Inside Edge* work while batting? I thought it was only for pitching.
            I'm referring to Inside Edge reports on opposing pitchers showing their tendencies (where they throw, what types of pitches). For example, while playing the Astros, I noticed Pettite would throw lots of curves when he was going for strike 3. I looked at his report, and noticed he tended to throw a little high sometimes.

            So I waited for that high inside curve with Tony Clark... and just sat on it. Sure enough, full count... waiting... high and inside.... WHAM! Thre run homer. Love it!

            Yancy
            "Echo from the buttes, Give 'Em Hell Devils!"

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            • ofdman
              Rookie
              • Apr 2005
              • 390

              #186
              Re: Patch Discussion

              Originally posted by gallandro
              I'm referring to Inside Edge reports on opposing pitchers showing their tendencies (where they throw, what types of pitches). For example, while playing the Astros, I noticed Pettite would throw lots of curves when he was going for strike 3. I looked at his report, and noticed he tended to throw a little high sometimes.

              So I waited for that high inside curve with Tony Clark... and just sat on it. Sure enough, full count... waiting... high and inside.... WHAM! Thre run homer. Love it!

              Yancy
              oh I see. Thats pretty cool. I'll look into it!

              Thanks gallandro !
              "Because he's the hero Gotham deserves...but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him...because he can take it...because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector...the Dark Knight."

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              • CaptainZombie
                Brains
                • Jul 2003
                • 37851

                #187
                Re: Patch Discussion

                Originally posted by jim416
                How do they get out of this mess and get their reputation back? Don't know, but you're right about fixing the BASEBALL game. Geez, I wonder how much dev time went into the catcher cam or whatever it is? Add something new, ignore what needs to be fixed. When will they learn? Perhaps this mess will change that.

                Let's hope so.

                Now, will SCEA mess up what they've done for the next generation console?
                There is one way that they could get out of this mess and redeem themselves. Even though it's an expensive thing to do, they should have fixed the programming when this issue arose instead of the patch deal and then they could have pressed new discs replacing the ones people were having.

                2KSports is the only company that is experiencing these types of issues with the cache. What are they doing wrong? Do they know how to program games properly on the 360? I think it might be time that all their developers have a class on how to program games on the 360. I'm sorry to say this. I really liked this game, but the freezing is an issue that should have never occured.

                Another part of the problem is that Microsoft needs to add some functionality in the dashboard that allows the user to clean the "cache" on the system like you would in any Internet Browser window. I can't fully blame all of this on 2KSports.

                The PS3 and XBOX360 are not just consoles like the old days anymore. They have become mini-pc's with a console infastructure. We are going to see more PC related problems as this type of technology advances. There's more than one group here to blame.
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                • CaptainZombie
                  Brains
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 37851

                  #188
                  Re: Patch Discussion

                  Originally posted by gallandro
                  I'm referring to Inside Edge reports on opposing pitchers showing their tendencies (where they throw, what types of pitches). For example, while playing the Astros, I noticed Pettite would throw lots of curves when he was going for strike 3. I looked at his report, and noticed he tended to throw a little high sometimes.

                  So I waited for that high inside curve with Tony Clark... and just sat on it. Sure enough, full count... waiting... high and inside.... WHAM! Thre run homer. Love it!

                  Yancy
                  Inside Edge is great.
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                  • gallandro
                    Pro
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 526

                    #189
                    Re: Patch Discussion

                    Originally posted by candyman56
                    Inside Edge is great.
                    It's the only thing that keeps me coming back... just like an abused dog. I keep coming back for more, because I love this feature. It's the one thing The Show doesn't have... and if it had a similar feature I don't think I'd ever play another baseball video game.

                    Gah!!!


                    Yancy
                    "Echo from the buttes, Give 'Em Hell Devils!"

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                    • CaptainZombie
                      Brains
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 37851

                      #190
                      Re: Patch Discussion

                      Originally posted by gallandro
                      It's the only thing that keeps me coming back... just like an abused dog. I keep coming back for more, because I love this feature. It's the one thing The Show doesn't have... and if it had a similar feature I don't think I'd ever play another baseball video game.

                      Gah!!!


                      Yancy
                      Well maybe MLB07 will have something implement next year that's similar to "IE". With it going to a new next-gen system, we might see some issues next year if 989 doesn't get it right.
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                      • ofdman
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 390

                        #191
                        Re: Patch Discussion

                        hey candyman- doesnt holding down the "A" button while you boot your 360 clear the cache?

                        Thats what I thought anyways. Or does that do something else?

                        I know that Bethesda says to do this when booting up Oblivion to help with the framerate ( at least thats what I thought?)

                        Ya know, if they fixed the freeze problem and all of the other stuff and it ran at a constant 60 FPS I would be in heaven!

                        I wonder if a patch could do this? After all, don't PC gamers get this kind of patch for their games? Maybe we'll see a MAJOR PATCH.

                        that would be awesome!
                        "Because he's the hero Gotham deserves...but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him...because he can take it...because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector...the Dark Knight."

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                        • ComfortablyLomb
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 3548

                          #192
                          Re: Patch Discussion

                          Originally posted by abates21
                          yeah, since the 360 hardware is to blame for all of this. holy fanboy
                          Seriously. If other companies were having problems with the hard drive and cache then you could blame the 360 but it seems like only 2k has NO CLUE how to get games to work with the hard drive.

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                          • Pratt75
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 2357

                            #193
                            Re: Patch Discussion

                            Originally posted by ComfortablyLomb
                            Seriously. If other companies were having problems with the hard drive and cache then you could blame the 360 but it seems like only 2k has NO CLUE how to get games to work with the hard drive.
                            This is a very, very good point. This seems to be the case. Every other game I have works perfectly fine. 2K games are the only games that have given me trouble.

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                            • CaptainZombie
                              Brains
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 37851

                              #194
                              Re: Patch Discussion

                              Originally posted by Pratt75
                              This is a very, very good point. This seems to be the case. Every other game I have works perfectly fine. 2K games are the only games that have given me trouble.
                              Hopefully they get it right with their 2K7 games.
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                              • RockyTop1
                                All Star
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 8267

                                #195
                                Re: Patch Discussion

                                Originally posted by candyman56
                                Hopefully they get it right with their 2K7 games.
                                at which point another bug will expose itself.
                                PS4: aBayBates
                                Xbox: RockyTop1

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