Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

**bkrich83** · 04-10-2004, 03:46 PM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

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nizzytrizzy said:
hm. if you don't mind my asking: if you're sorry, why are you still behaving like such a horse's rear end toward the guy? Is there some history here no one knows about?

This is not to say that you guys haven't been sorta mildly flaming *each other*, but it seems like you started the pissing contest and you're just mad because his stream was longer. Just wondering.

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Settle down little man, and just worry about yourself.

**Leebo33** · 04-11-2004, 09:01 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

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fossen said:
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Bill_Abner said:
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fossen said:
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Badgun said:
Hehe fossen, not sure if it was your intention, but you can cut the sarcasm with a knife.

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Just doing a quick catch-up before heading to Disneyland, didn't check the link. However, knowing that both you and Bill were steadfast in holding EA accountable for any glitch in MVP, I assumed that was the link you were pointing to.

I assumed wrong.

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Who peed in your cereal fossen? I pointed out flaws in MVP that existed. Plain and simple. Why take offense to that? I was "steadfast" in holding EA accountable because there are "glitches" in that game that make it damn near unplayable. Thus far, I don't see anything near that level of screw up in ESPN. ESPN has its share of sloppyness, but I'll take some sloppyness over a damaged game any day.

The only things that I railed on MVP about were the poor roster management, the broken dynasty mode, the lack of steals, and the lack of walks. Those were my big issues. I never even got into the whole lefty bug thing. By that time I had moved on to other stuff while the modders scrambled to try and fix EA's game. That's somehow my fault?

If it turns out that ESPN has such serious issues that make the game a waste of time -- I'll say so. Until that happens, I'm going to play it and enjoy it.

Sorry to offend you that I'm not blasting ESPN yet. Enjoy Mr. Toad's Wild Ride.

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Holey moley! I'll apologize again.

I assumed yet another "Mr. Abner's Wild Bug-Testing Ride", since your jihad against MVP has consumed many of your posts here and at the blog. I assumed wrong. My mistake. Sorry.

Glad to hear you're enjoying a baseball release.

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Bill, I'm not sure what Fossen's motives are for flaming you, but the majority of us appreciate your commments concerning games. I know I appreciate your work. Maybe it is a "bug testing" ride, but if there are bugs in the game I would rather know about them and the extent and decide for myself if I can live with it. It's a shame that you even have to waste your time testing things that should have been caught prior to release, but I'm not going to punish you because you are the messenger or the person that confirms the extent of problems.

**Leebo33** · 04-11-2004, 09:01 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

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fossen said:
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Bill_Abner said:
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fossen said:
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Badgun said:
Hehe fossen, not sure if it was your intention, but you can cut the sarcasm with a knife.

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Just doing a quick catch-up before heading to Disneyland, didn't check the link. However, knowing that both you and Bill were steadfast in holding EA accountable for any glitch in MVP, I assumed that was the link you were pointing to.

I assumed wrong.

<hr /></blockquote>

Who peed in your cereal fossen? I pointed out flaws in MVP that existed. Plain and simple. Why take offense to that? I was "steadfast" in holding EA accountable because there are "glitches" in that game that make it damn near unplayable. Thus far, I don't see anything near that level of screw up in ESPN. ESPN has its share of sloppyness, but I'll take some sloppyness over a damaged game any day.

The only things that I railed on MVP about were the poor roster management, the broken dynasty mode, the lack of steals, and the lack of walks. Those were my big issues. I never even got into the whole lefty bug thing. By that time I had moved on to other stuff while the modders scrambled to try and fix EA's game. That's somehow my fault?

If it turns out that ESPN has such serious issues that make the game a waste of time -- I'll say so. Until that happens, I'm going to play it and enjoy it.

Sorry to offend you that I'm not blasting ESPN yet. Enjoy Mr. Toad's Wild Ride.

<hr /></blockquote>
Holey moley! I'll apologize again.

I assumed yet another "Mr. Abner's Wild Bug-Testing Ride", since your jihad against MVP has consumed many of your posts here and at the blog. I assumed wrong. My mistake. Sorry.

Glad to hear you're enjoying a baseball release.

<hr /></blockquote>

Bill, I'm not sure what Fossen's motives are for flaming you, but the majority of us appreciate your commments concerning games. I know I appreciate your work. Maybe it is a "bug testing" ride, but if there are bugs in the game I would rather know about them and the extent and decide for myself if I can live with it. It's a shame that you even have to waste your time testing things that should have been caught prior to release, but I'm not going to punish you because you are the messenger or the person that confirms the extent of problems.

**Leebo33** · 04-11-2004, 09:01 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

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fossen said:
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Bill_Abner said:
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fossen said:
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Badgun said:
Hehe fossen, not sure if it was your intention, but you can cut the sarcasm with a knife.

<hr /></blockquote>
Just doing a quick catch-up before heading to Disneyland, didn't check the link. However, knowing that both you and Bill were steadfast in holding EA accountable for any glitch in MVP, I assumed that was the link you were pointing to.

I assumed wrong.

<hr /></blockquote>

Who peed in your cereal fossen? I pointed out flaws in MVP that existed. Plain and simple. Why take offense to that? I was "steadfast" in holding EA accountable because there are "glitches" in that game that make it damn near unplayable. Thus far, I don't see anything near that level of screw up in ESPN. ESPN has its share of sloppyness, but I'll take some sloppyness over a damaged game any day.

The only things that I railed on MVP about were the poor roster management, the broken dynasty mode, the lack of steals, and the lack of walks. Those were my big issues. I never even got into the whole lefty bug thing. By that time I had moved on to other stuff while the modders scrambled to try and fix EA's game. That's somehow my fault?

If it turns out that ESPN has such serious issues that make the game a waste of time -- I'll say so. Until that happens, I'm going to play it and enjoy it.

Sorry to offend you that I'm not blasting ESPN yet. Enjoy Mr. Toad's Wild Ride.

<hr /></blockquote>
Holey moley! I'll apologize again.

I assumed yet another "Mr. Abner's Wild Bug-Testing Ride", since your jihad against MVP has consumed many of your posts here and at the blog. I assumed wrong. My mistake. Sorry.

Glad to hear you're enjoying a baseball release.

<hr /></blockquote>

Bill, I'm not sure what Fossen's motives are for flaming you, but the majority of us appreciate your commments concerning games. I know I appreciate your work. Maybe it is a "bug testing" ride, but if there are bugs in the game I would rather know about them and the extent and decide for myself if I can live with it. It's a shame that you even have to waste your time testing things that should have been caught prior to release, but I'm not going to punish you because you are the messenger or the person that confirms the extent of problems.

**Bill_Abner** · 04-11-2004, 09:20 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

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Leebo33 said:
Bill, I'm not sure what Fossen's motives are for flaming you, but the majority of us appreciate your commments concerning games. I know I appreciate your work. Maybe it is a "bug testing" ride, but if there are bugs in the game I would rather know about them and the extent and decide for myself if I can live with it. It's a shame that you even have to waste your time testing things that should have been caught prior to release, but I'm not going to punish you because you are the messenger or the person that confirms the extent of problems.

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Not a big deal. I remember last year on the High Heat.net forums when a few people got really, really mad at me when I had a beta copy of the PC version of HH2004 and I flipped out that it didn't have mouse support. I was, and still am, shocked that 3DO would ship a PC game without support for a friggin' mouse. But a lot of people got ticked at me despite the fact that I have loved and supported HH since the first game back in 1998. Goes with the territory.

But as Fossen said, I'm just happy that I have finally found a game that I enjoy. I just hope it holds up the more I play it. I am seeing some stuff in ESPN that I don't like, but so far not enough to get me to stop playing.

**Bill_Abner** · 04-11-2004, 09:20 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

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Leebo33 said:
Bill, I'm not sure what Fossen's motives are for flaming you, but the majority of us appreciate your commments concerning games. I know I appreciate your work. Maybe it is a "bug testing" ride, but if there are bugs in the game I would rather know about them and the extent and decide for myself if I can live with it. It's a shame that you even have to waste your time testing things that should have been caught prior to release, but I'm not going to punish you because you are the messenger or the person that confirms the extent of problems.

<hr /></blockquote>

Not a big deal. I remember last year on the High Heat.net forums when a few people got really, really mad at me when I had a beta copy of the PC version of HH2004 and I flipped out that it didn't have mouse support. I was, and still am, shocked that 3DO would ship a PC game without support for a friggin' mouse. But a lot of people got ticked at me despite the fact that I have loved and supported HH since the first game back in 1998. Goes with the territory.

But as Fossen said, I'm just happy that I have finally found a game that I enjoy. I just hope it holds up the more I play it. I am seeing some stuff in ESPN that I don't like, but so far not enough to get me to stop playing.

**Bill_Abner** · 04-11-2004, 09:20 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

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Leebo33 said:
Bill, I'm not sure what Fossen's motives are for flaming you, but the majority of us appreciate your commments concerning games. I know I appreciate your work. Maybe it is a "bug testing" ride, but if there are bugs in the game I would rather know about them and the extent and decide for myself if I can live with it. It's a shame that you even have to waste your time testing things that should have been caught prior to release, but I'm not going to punish you because you are the messenger or the person that confirms the extent of problems.

<hr /></blockquote>

Not a big deal. I remember last year on the High Heat.net forums when a few people got really, really mad at me when I had a beta copy of the PC version of HH2004 and I flipped out that it didn't have mouse support. I was, and still am, shocked that 3DO would ship a PC game without support for a friggin' mouse. But a lot of people got ticked at me despite the fact that I have loved and supported HH since the first game back in 1998. Goes with the territory.

But as Fossen said, I'm just happy that I have finally found a game that I enjoy. I just hope it holds up the more I play it. I am seeing some stuff in ESPN that I don't like, but so far not enough to get me to stop playing.

**Pronk** · 04-11-2004, 09:35 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

Yeah Bill, I too enjoy reading your comments on this years crop of baseball games.. I check out your blog at least once a day to see what you have or have not uncovered.. Keep up the good work..

**Pronk** · 04-11-2004, 09:35 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

Yeah Bill, I too enjoy reading your comments on this years crop of baseball games.. I check out your blog at least once a day to see what you have or have not uncovered.. Keep up the good work..

**Pronk** · 04-11-2004, 09:35 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

Yeah Bill, I too enjoy reading your comments on this years crop of baseball games.. I check out your blog at least once a day to see what you have or have not uncovered.. Keep up the good work..

**PatsFan** · 04-11-2004, 09:49 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

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Badgun said:
Two guys that I have an incredible amount of respect for have weighed in on ESPN Baseball.

Dan Clarke, one of the guys who was involved in starting this very website and Bill Abner, a long time sports game reviewer for practically every major gaming site on the net have given their initial opinions of the game.

Both of their comments are a good read and let me tell you fellows, when these guys speak, E.F. Hutton listens.

sportsgamer

http://sportsgamer.blogspot.com/

I've been reading both of these guys' stuff for a long time and I don't think I've ever seen them say anything that wasn't right on the money.

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You respect these guys? Why, because it says what you want to hear?

Gotta be honest, their writing style is limp, their reasoning, flawed, and their taste in games is speaks to someone with little to no real sports experience. Most likely coach potatoes that have never played a sport in their lives.

**PatsFan** · 04-11-2004, 09:49 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

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Badgun said:
Two guys that I have an incredible amount of respect for have weighed in on ESPN Baseball.

Dan Clarke, one of the guys who was involved in starting this very website and Bill Abner, a long time sports game reviewer for practically every major gaming site on the net have given their initial opinions of the game.

Both of their comments are a good read and let me tell you fellows, when these guys speak, E.F. Hutton listens.

sportsgamer

http://sportsgamer.blogspot.com/

I've been reading both of these guys' stuff for a long time and I don't think I've ever seen them say anything that wasn't right on the money.

<hr /></blockquote>

You respect these guys? Why, because it says what you want to hear?

Gotta be honest, their writing style is limp, their reasoning, flawed, and their taste in games is speaks to someone with little to no real sports experience. Most likely coach potatoes that have never played a sport in their lives.

**PatsFan** · 04-11-2004, 09:49 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Badgun said:
Two guys that I have an incredible amount of respect for have weighed in on ESPN Baseball.

Dan Clarke, one of the guys who was involved in starting this very website and Bill Abner, a long time sports game reviewer for practically every major gaming site on the net have given their initial opinions of the game.

Both of their comments are a good read and let me tell you fellows, when these guys speak, E.F. Hutton listens.

sportsgamer

http://sportsgamer.blogspot.com/

I've been reading both of these guys' stuff for a long time and I don't think I've ever seen them say anything that wasn't right on the money.

<hr /></blockquote>

You respect these guys? Why, because it says what you want to hear?

Gotta be honest, their writing style is limp, their reasoning, flawed, and their taste in games is speaks to someone with little to no real sports experience. Most likely coach potatoes that have never played a sport in their lives.

**PatsFan** · 04-11-2004, 09:53 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

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Pem said:
I just tried multiple times to reproduce this in a real game situation, and it does not happen.

Which is odd, you would assume Situation uses the same logic as in-game logic.

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It actually does happen in real games.

**PatsFan** · 04-11-2004, 09:53 AM

Re: Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

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Pem said:
I just tried multiple times to reproduce this in a real game situation, and it does not happen.

Which is odd, you would assume Situation uses the same logic as in-game logic.

<hr /></blockquote>

It actually does happen in real games.

Two long time reviewers give their take on ESPN

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