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  • Village Idiot
    Probably Insane
    • Sep 2004
    • 2733

    #1

    Dynamic Difficulty Experiment

    Dynamic Difficulty - has anyone actually tried it?

    I don't want to get carried away, I only played four games ... but I'll say this much: the four games I played have been, quite simply, four of the best I've played, and I'm well over 200 games in.

    Game 1: L, 6-3 (10 innings)
    Game 2: L, 3-2 (stranded a runner at third in the bottom of 9th)
    Game 3: W, 7-3 (nice!)
    Game 4: L, 6-4 (tied 4-4 in 9th, walk-off HR)

    What's been really interesting - hell, downright amazing - is playing while knowing that the sliders are in flux. This has a particularly profound effect when considering the sliders for AI hitting and pitching. Wanna talk about unpredictable pitching? Think about the effect it would have if someone were tinkering with how often the AI throws strikes - while you play! Same is true when you're on the mound: how aggressive the AI is, how often they chase, how often they'll MASH - all of it - it's been completely unpredictable, as you might expect.

    What's more, you cannot see the sliders being changed: my sliders still look the exact same way they did when I made the switch; but I'm 100% certain there are drastic changes being made - even during the game.

    Theoretically, the CPU is attempting to automatically make you a set of custom sliders, uniquely tailored to your skill set and your play style.

    Seriously.

    Like I said, it's only four games, but those scores ought to speak pretty loudly. I'd be REALLY interested to see some of you take the plunge into this land of total uncertainty with me and see if you experience something similar.

    A FEW THINGS:

    1. Payoff pitching; Classic Swing (though I suspect this won't matter at all)
    2. I have all the Inside Edge options turned off.
    3. Make sure the meat pitch slider is at zero.
    4. I am not using either analog stick at all.
    5. I am throwing exactly what the catcher calls for. If I want to throw something else, I make sure to shake him off, and I never shake off Payoff pitches, unless the call is for something downright stupid (this is pretty much the only way to insure a decent number of walks).
    6. Classic pitching: I am attempting to pitch with 100% effectiveness every time (allowing the meter to expand as far as possible, and achieving the little white flash).

    As far as anything else goes (speaking of sliders), as far as I can tell, it doesn't matter. The CPU will pretty much 'reset' the sliders as soon as you turn on Dynamic Difficulty. (Again, you won't see any changes to the actual sliders, but they'll be there, trust me.)

    Recap: Dynamic Difficulty definitely does one thing: it instantly removes all question of slider tweaks from your mind, allowing you to simply concentrate on the task at hand: scoring 20 runs and throwing a no-hitter. What it might do is make slider tweaks (even in-game) that promote competitive, exciting games. So far, that's exactly what's happened for me, and, like I said, I just played four of the best games I've played to date.

    Should no one else come along for the ride, I'll keep you posted.
    Last edited by Village Idiot; 06-19-2007, 01:53 AM.
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  • Village Idiot
    Probably Insane
    • Sep 2004
    • 2733

    #2
    Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

    Game 5: Detroit Tigers (29-39) @ Philadelphia Phillies (41-28)

    Bonderman (6-6) vs. Lieber (5-2)

    DET 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 4
    PHI 5 5 1 1 0 0 0 0 x 12

    DET 4 7 0
    PHI 12 15 0

    Tigers Pitching
    Bonderman (L, 6-7): 1.2 IP, 9 H, 9 R, 1 BB, 1 K (41 pitches)
    Miner: 3.1 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 K
    Ledezma: 2 IP, 3 K

    Phillies Pitching
    Lieber (W, 6-2): 8 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 BB, 7 K (96 pitches)
    Madson: 1 IP, 1 H, 1 R

    Tigers Hitting
    Granderson: 0-4, 2 K
    Infante: 1-4, 2B, R, K
    Sheffield: 0-3, K
    Ordonez: 2-4, HR (11), 2 RBI
    Guillen: 1-3, 2B, K
    Casey: 1-4, RBI
    Rodriguez: 1-3, 2B
    Inge: 0-3, K
    Miner: 0-1
    Thames (PH): 0-1
    Perez (def. sub): 0-1
    Monroe (PH): 0-1
    Polanco (PH): 1-1, RBI

    Phillies Hitting
    Rollins: 1-5
    Rowand: 3-5, 2 HR (13, 14), 3 RBI
    Howard: 2-4
    Utley: 3-4, K
    Werth: 3-4, HR (5), 4 RBI
    Helms: 1-4, HR (7), 3 RBI, K
    Victorino: 1-4, HR (3), 2 RBI
    Ruiz: 1-4
    Lieber: 0-4, 4 K

    Team LOB: Tigers 5, Phillies 3

    Well, I sure as hell didn’t see that coming. After Bonderman gave up the five runs in the first, I probably should have pulled him. Who knows what would have happened. But, I left him in and he gave up another four in the second and it was all but over. I was pretty much useless at the plate facing such a deficit; Liber had allowed just 1 run on 3 hits going into the ninth – the game wasn’t even as close as the score. We’ll see what happens now in the next game, @ Washington. Will report back.
    Last edited by Village Idiot; 06-14-2007, 10:13 PM.
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    • Scottdau
      Banned
      • Feb 2003
      • 32580

      #3
      Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

      So are you using a slider set or just using this?

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      • arichzona
        Banned
        • Nov 2003
        • 1629

        #4
        Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

        the only way I got a "whole new game" was to do the following.....

        of course it involves roster edits.........entire league

        drop the following attributes by 50%

        power
        doubles
        triples
        HR's
        throwing arm
        thowing accuracy - throws are still good....just not right on target every, single, time......eliminates otherwise close plays due to guys having to jump,
        shift, or scoop to get the ball.

        used my sliders that we posted way back when and actually adjusted power and power effect UP!!!! to 40......having fun now.

        This has done wonders and made me want to play the game again. My Cubs are blowing leads from inning 6, on - just like in real life.
        Last edited by arichzona; 06-15-2007, 03:09 PM.

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        • utexas
          Greatness
          • Jan 2003
          • 4867

          #5
          Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

          I have my own sliders, but I do play with the dynamic difficulty on. It does a good job in my opinion. I have played about 40 games in my franchise and I like the results I'm getting. My thinking is as I improve, I don't want to have to continuely adjust the sliders to make it more difficult.
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          • DaoudS
            MVP
            • Mar 2006
            • 1568

            #6
            Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

            i do believe dynamic difficulty changes sliders as the game progresses.

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            • DaoudS
              MVP
              • Mar 2006
              • 1568

              #7
              Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

              actually never mind, they changed and then i put them back to my sliders and the game played VERY WELL

              can't believe i didn't try this before.

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              • NCAA
                Banned
                • Aug 2006
                • 251

                #8
                Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

                I never tried playing with that option on before. I kinda want to try it but i don't want the option to completely destory my sliders. Can anyone say how much the option changes your sliders? and do they go back to normal after the game or do they stay that way? Also for the TC are you playing with hot and cold teams on too?

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                • DaoudS
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 1568

                  #9
                  Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

                  Originally posted by NCAA
                  I never tried playing with that option on before. I kinda want to try it but i don't want the option to completely destory my sliders. Can anyone say how much the option changes your sliders? and do they go back to normal after the game or do they stay that way? Also for the TC are you playing with hot and cold teams on too?
                  first put dynamic difficulty on and then put on your sliders...make sure to knock down the pitch speed by 5-10, depending on how it suits you

                  i've had a variety of games
                  7-4. 3-1, 1-7, 1-0, 13-1, 4-5

                  amazing

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                  • MizzouRah
                    All Star
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 8531

                    #10
                    Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

                    Undefeated, I think you're on to something!

                    Started my franchise over using Heelfan's settings and then I turned on dynamic difficulty and hot/cold teams.

                    Played my fist game of the season and I'd agree, it was my best game to date.

                    Mets 3 13 1
                    Cards 4 9 1

                    This game had everything, squeeze play, errors, attemped steals, hit and runs, I've never seen the CPU AI act like this before.. maybe it's a coincidence, but I had a blast. They also pinch hit, pinch ran, bunted when necessary and just about everything else I could ask for from a CPU AI controlled team. I hit a 2 out bottom of the 9th single with Kennedy to win the game in dramatic fashion. This after in the 7th, I brought in a left handed pitcher to turn Beltran around with Reyes on 3rd and he pulled the squeeze on me to take a 3-2 lead.

                    0 Homeruns, Pujols hit one deep, but Beltran robbed him - it was quite realistic as he played deep and had plenty of time to make the jump at the wall.

                    Can't wait to play more games with these settings!

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                    • 7up3345
                      Rookie
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 178

                      #11
                      Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

                      I just turned on Dynamic difficutly and the game has changed into a way funner game. I played 4 games so far and im 2-2 and all sorts of diferent things happened during that 4 game span. I never tried turning hot/cold teams on but im gunna try.

                      I guess there was a good reason to put this option into the game.. 2k knows that there doing.
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                      • MizzouRah
                        All Star
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 8531

                        #12
                        Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

                        2nd game, against the Astros

                        Cards 2 7 0
                        Stros 3 6 0

                        I still haven't hit a HR, which is great.

                        I will say, I've seen so many different things in this game so far. Again, it's a small sample, but I'm having fun.

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                        • DaoudS
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 1568

                          #13
                          Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

                          one thing that bothered me was later on in my franchise my pitchers are getting tired EXTREMELY fast...like 3% per pitch

                          anyone else have this issue?

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                          • joet6683
                            Pro
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 865

                            #14
                            Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

                            yep I had that problem. i had dynamic difficulty on for the first 3 months of the season (playing 2 of every 5 games). starting pitchers with a+ stamina would barely make it through 6 innings. Also the amount of effectiveness i could put on a pitch would shrink really small too (using zone pitching). I would literally tap A, and the pitch would basically be full effectiveness. I went into my sliders to increase the fatigue, but my pitcher fatigue slider was at 40, the same as it always had been. What that means is that dynamic difficulty never changes your sliders, at least not visible changes. it is basically hidden modifiers to your sliders that you cant see. what i did to fix the pitcher fatigue was play a couple games with dynamic difficulty off (might only need one game), then i turned it on again. doing this makes dynamic difficulty start from scratch modifying your sliders again, so the first few games might be too easy depending on the sliders you originally had. but id rather deal with that then have my pitcher throwing a shutout giving up only a few hits and low pitch count, having 10% stamina in the 6th inning.
                            Last edited by joet6683; 06-17-2007, 12:46 PM.

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                            • GSW
                              Simnation
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 8041

                              #15
                              Re: A Whole New Game - WOW!

                              or just chalk it up too the pitchers getting tired over the course of the season progressivly.

                              probably aint what it is.. but it offers a challenge.
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