More Barry Bonds steroids stuff on ESPN radio right now

[Scottdau]

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I was a huge Caminiti fan and loved rubbing it my friends face how he was the best 3rd baseman in game at the time. When he came out and told the world about his steroid use during his MVP season in '96 my support for was gone. Padre fan thinks he should have his number retired while I think it would be an black mark on the franchise to give an honor like that to a guy that cheated.

So you're right, I do have a different feeling than you.

Well it comes to loyalty for me, not saying you are not loyal! But that is just how I feel about it! But to be honest Ken C only had some good years for you, Bonds has had many years for us. So if Bonds only played for a couple of years I probably would feel different!

But I don't think Bonds took steroids to to prolong his career, I think he took them because he was jealous of all the attention Mac and Sosa got. His thinking was he is better than both of them and it is not right for all the attention they got. This is a very egotistic man, so I can see that!

[Alliball]

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Well it comes to loyalty for me, not saying you are not loyal! But that is just how I feel about it! But to be honest Ken C only had some good years for you, Bonds has had many years for us. So if Bonds only played for a couple of years I probably would feel different!

But I don't think Bonds took steroids to to prolong his career, I think he took them because he was jealous of all the attention Mac and Sosa got. His thinking was he is better than both of them and it is not right for all the attention they got. This is a very egotistic man, so I can see that!

Um, I know plenty of Giant fans, actually too many to be honest, and they defend their team and players no matter what and no matter how long they were there. They actually make me want to vomit 99% of the time. What it comes down to is, a cheater is a cheater no matter what. So just because Bonds was has been with the Giants as long as he has, it doesn't excuse your unwavering loyalty to one of the biggest cheaters the game has ever seen.

[rsox]

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Yet another book coming out (in may i believe) alleges that Bonds told Ken Griffey Jr. and two other men after the '98 season that he planned to get "hardcore" into taking performance enhancers, Bonds was apparently unhappy with all the fanfare given to McGwire, Sosa and for a short time Griffey during the '98 season while he got very little.

ESPN has stated many, many times that Ken Griffey Jr. was not the source for this information.

[BGarrett7]

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Yet another book coming out (in may i believe) alleges that Bonds told Ken Griffey Jr. and two other men after the '98 season that he planned to get "hardcore" into taking performance enhancers, Bonds was apparently unhappy with all the fanfare given to McGwire, Sosa and for a short time Griffey during the '98 season while he got very little.

ESPN has stated many, many times that Ken Griffey Jr. was not the source for this information.

Yeah, I was listening to The Herd on the way home this afternoon, and heard the same thing. It's Jeff Pearlman, by the way, who wrote the latest book. I believe it's called Love Me, Hate Me: Barry Bonds And The Making Of An Antihero. He's the guy who wrote the book last year on the '86 Mets, and is also the guy who was interviewing John Rocker when he made his controversial comments. According to what I heard, the Junior comments in question were made at a dinner party following the 1998 season, however I don't think it was stated who was the source for the comment. Another bit discussed was an excert from the book where Pearlman relayed a story from former Giants infielder Jay Canizaro. Apparently Canizaro asked Greg Anderson what Bonds was on during spring training in '99 and was told almost word-for-word what has been mentioned in the SI article, as well as telling him that he could "come up with a cocktail" for him. Very interesting stuff.

[TheMatrix31]

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Yes, now everyone release a book now that you see the two guys from the Chronicle making bank off it (#3 on the Amazon sales rank?).....ugh.

[Jistic]

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Yes, now everyone release a book now that you see the two guys from the Chronicle making bank off it (#3 on the Amazon sales rank?).....ugh.

Yeah he just whipped it up this week.

[BGarrett7]

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Here is an excert from the Pearlman book from ESPN.

[aukevin]

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Report: Bonds to sue over steroid allegations in book

[SPTO]

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Report: Bonds to sue over steroid allegations in book

Sounds like a risky move especially if the writers can show the evidence in court.

[Misfit]

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What bad PR for him to sue over this book, considering the lawsuit is not challenging what the book is reporting on Bonds, just that the information was obtained illegally. Thats pretty much an admission of guilt if there ever was one.

[Jistic]

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What bad PR for him to sue over this book, considering the lawsuit is not challenging what the book is reporting on Bonds, just that the information was obtained illegally. Thats pretty much an admission of guilt if there ever was one.

Yep, I saw the writers on Cold Pizza this morning. I wouldn't mess with them if I was him. Turns out Scheffield has been mentioned more in this book too. His comment, "It is what it is"....

[DGetz]

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"He said laws prohibit people from possessing grand jury materials unless they are unsealed and said authors Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams, both also reporters for the Chronicle, 'have made a complete farce of the criminal justice system.'"

That's a pretty bold statement coming from the camp of a guy who lied under oath...

[BGarrett7]

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"What we're saying is, who are the real cheaters? They are the ones who are using these illegally obtained materials," Rains said.

I guess I know now how and why Giants fans became such good spin doctors.

And I think it speaks loads that this suit is over how the material was gathered, not what it actually says. If Bonds really wanted to take a stand here against the accusations, this would be a libel suit all the way.

Correct me if I'm wrong though, but haven't all the press releases and other write-ups on the book explicitly stated that the testimony and evidence from the grand jury investigation came from documents?

[blackceasar]

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Here is the list of different people and how they REALLY feel about all this Roids stuff in the MLB:

Owners:
Wish it never came out. They were raking in the dough from fans who were paying to see the long ball.

Commish: Since hes in the owners camp too..same thing. If all this long ball hitting and HR breaking was going on with NO roid talks at all, its a win for him.

Super Stars who dont juice:
They want it out of the game because they are so close to being as good as the "juicers" they probably would be the better player if the playing feild were leveled.

Super Stars who do juice:
They are hating life right now because so much heat is on this topic some are going to get off the juice to keep from being the next busted player..but the downside is that some of these players wouldnt be the superstars they are without it...so they are going to have to somehow deal with the "free ride" being over and being happy with a 270 BA and 28 HR a year rather than batting 320 with 48 HR a year.

Pitchers:
they are happy to get it out of the game. But to be honest..if you were a pitcher in todays "juiced player" era and you still dominated batters, winning 20+ games and keeping your ERA under 3 you are an absolute STUD cuz youre basically david whopping goliath's azz with one hand tied behind your back.

The Fans:
mixed bag here because someone in LA for example could hate bonds and been hating someone like Bonds, but if he magically showed up on THIER team's roster, some of these hating fans would change thier tune. Also as long as fans keep shelling out the bucks for tickets, hot dogs, 12 dolalr beer, jerseys, and watching it on TV baseball is gonna keep making money which means bigger contracts which means more players doing anything and everything to enchance thier performance so they can get a peice of that. it all starts wtih the fan. Without our money, baseball doesnt exist.

Players who are average players:
They want the game cleaned up so the gap between someone like Bonds and them is closed up. Also these players probably would take roids of they could know 100% for sure it was safe and 100% for sure they wouldnt get caught. Lets be HONEST here people. Most of us wont rob a bank because the consequences outweigh the risk. if there was absolutely no risk at all..alot of us, includin myself would probably be in a bank now loading up our money bags. Im just keeping it real. Yes there ARE some people out there with real true blue to the soul morals but I think that number is inflated. I think more players would juice up if there were no consequences for doing so (getting caught, getting sick, etc). And thats sad...IMO at least HALF of the players who dont juice up arent choosing not to because of morals and the love for the purity of the game..they just dont like the risk/reward ratio. You change that up..and more of these guys WOULD be on the juice.

[Beantown]

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The SF Judge denied Bonds' attorney's request for the injuction, which would've stopped the authors from profiting from the book.