Official Trade Deadline Thread- Rumors, Transactions and Your Own Crazy Ideas

[TJdaSportsGuy]

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Baseball = Real Sport
Soccer = Sport people who aren't any good at baseball play

Need any further explanation? :wink:

[Porschebenz2001]

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The yankees ruin baseball.

They run their team like a 13 year old playing a video game. And the funny thing is, they suck at it.

Never heard that one before. Do you think, if the Yankees, sucked it would be better for baseball? Considering how they haven't won a WS since 2000, I don't think you can make the argument that they are monopolizing the league any more. The Blue Jays spending all that money in the off season proves that you need to spend to win the WS right now. The Mets went out, spent a lot of money, to do the same thing. I know the Yanks spend a considerable amount more, but if it was up to Cash they would be cutting payroll, not adding to it with guys like Abreu. Unfortunately, Steinbrenner probably sees Abreu as a quick fix because he likes veterans, so he feels he can plug him in there. The same thing happened with Randy Johnson. George saw him as a CY Young candidate, thought Halsey was expendable, and knew Vasquez had a bad playoffs. I would probably agree with you on some points, especially about our trades and FA moves, but I don't think we ruin baseball. I think the Yanks being good, is good for baseball.

[dieselboy]

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Does Dellucci become an every day player? Or does he split time with Victorino?

[TJdaSportsGuy]

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Here is a bit of irony...

Bobby Abreu wears #53 for the Phillies. Whether or not he'll be able to wear it in NY is yet to be determined, because that number is already taken.....by former Phillies manager and current Yankees coach Larry Bowa.

[mike01]

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Never heard that one before. Do you think, if the Yankees, sucked it would be better for baseball? Considering how they haven't won a WS since 2000, I don't think you can make the argument that they are monopolizing the league any more. The Blue Jays spending all that money in the off season proves that you need to spend to win the WS right now. The Mets went out, spent a lot of money, to do the same thing. I know the Yanks spend a considerable amount more, but if it was up to Cash they would be cutting payroll, not adding to it with guys like Abreu. Unfortunately, Steinbrenner probably sees Abreu as a quick fix because he likes veterans, so he feels he can plug him in there. The same thing happened with Randy Johnson. George saw him as a CY Young candidate, thought Halsey was expendable, and knew Vasquez had a bad playoffs. I would probably agree with you on some points, especially about our trades and FA moves, but I don't think we ruin baseball. I think the Yanks being good, is good for baseball.

So the Yankees have a $200 million payroll. The Twins, A's, Padres, and Reds are all contenders this year and have payrolls in the 60-70 million range.

The casual baseball fan is probably ticked off that the Yankees try to buy their championships every year. The average baseball fan wants the Yankees to lose.

[Jistic]

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Someone better call 911 because Cashman just robbed Gillick.

All we have been hearing is how it's a seller market......... and then you look at this trade and shake your head.

CJ Henry is a 20 year old SS in low A that can't hit. He's striking out in almost 1/3rd of his AB's with no ability to hit for average or power.

Matt Smith is.......... well there's a .00000001 chance his family reads this site so I won't say anything.

The Phils also get to select another prospect from a list given by the Yanks. We all know that list will be missing 2 names.

While Abreu's power is in decline, his ability to get on base hasn't. His big salary is of no concern to the Yanks. Cory Lidle is a huge upgrade over Sir I Suck Ponson. You could do worse than Lidle as your number 4 or 5 pitcher.

Cashman just dropped an atomic bomb on the rest of the AL today.

In September we might be seeing a Yanks batting order of:

Damon
Jeter
Giambi
A-Rod
Sheffield
Matsui
Abreu
Posada
Cano

Folks that might be the best 1-9 lineup in MLB history. I challenge everybody to find me a better hitting line-up 1-9.

Oh yeah that means Bernie and Melky would be coming off the bench.

I'll pray for all opposing pitchers.

...and they still won't win the whole thing. The '27 Yankees had 5 HOF players in their starting lineup. You see five in that lineup?

[SPTO]

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First up: I YUCKING HATE THE FANKEES!!!

I know Gillick is in Fire Sale mode but when I saw that the "jewel" in this trade is a single A kid who is a crapshoot to make the majors at best I just lost it.

How does a team with a reportedly barren farm system able to pull off trades like this?!

Oh and AF i'd take the Big Red Machine Era Reds lineup over that one. Mainly because they were consistent for nearly an entire decade.

EDIT: At least Lidle will fall apart in NY. He had a stint in Toronto and he just doesn't seem to be a pitcher that can effectively pitch in the AL East.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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...and they still won't win the whole thing. The '27 Yankees had 5 HOF players in their starting lineup. You see five in that lineup?

Jeter, A-Rod, and Sheffield will all be in the HoF. By the time he is finished, Posada might get in. While I didn't list him in the starting 9, Bernie has a chance to get in.

[SPTO]

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Jeter, A-Rod, and Sheffield will all be in the HoF. By the time he is finished, Posada might get in. While I didn't list him in the starting 9, Bernie has a chance to get in.

Posada will have to wait a long time before he's in IMO. He'll only get in due to his association with the Yankees.

Bernie Williams just doesn't have the stats of a HOF'er and the only thing making him borderline is his association with the Yankees.

Sheffield may get in but I think some of his numbers will be viewed with skepticism due to the era he's played in.

I do agree that Jeter and A-Rod are locks right now.

[BGarrett7]

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The yankees ruin baseball.

How is this a case of the Yanks ruining baseball? Last time I checked, it took two teams to make a trade happen. If anything, you should be blaming the Phils for salary dumping. Philly is dangling two players who would fill rather big holes in the Yanks roster, plus, they have the necessary young talent to make the deal happen. What the hell are they supposed to do? Just shrug their shoulders, say "oh well, we don't need to win that bad" and just let Abreu fall to some other contender? Yeah, right. They are trying to win, just like every other team out there, why should they be blasted because they are trying to enhance their chances of doing so? If you had the resources to bolster your team for a run at the post-season, are you really going to sit there and tell me you would let a player like Abreu -- who has been one of the most productive players of this decade -- fall to the wayside?

I really want to know how the Yankees are supposedly the bad guys here. Why is it their fault that they have a $200M payroll, while teams like KC, Pittsburgh and Tampa sit around and twiddle their thumbs with their $50M payrolls? The Yankees get blasted because they actually spend the money, something that fans of the three aforementioned teams have been begging and pleading for their management and ownership to do for years now. That is a mighty dose of hypocrisy there. If you have the resources to do the things the Yanks do, you use them. Period. There isn't a salary cap in baseball, nor there is a proper revenue sharing plan in place. Why is this the fault of one team, and not the entire league as a whole? Everyone has been ripping the Yanks apart for years simply because they are working the system that is in place to their advantage. Big deal. Heaven forbid a team actually take advantage of the incompetency of the other MLB franchises.

Is what they have accomplished in the past fifteen years the model for consistency? Absolutely. Have other teams founds ways to win which counter their ways, and also had success? Definitely. Just because the A's, Reds, Padres, et al have been able to win without $200M payrolls does not make the Yankees way of winning any more or less tarnished. Each team is using their resources to the best of their ability to win. And until the MLB brass can actually come up with a legit revenue sharing plan which promotes a stronger sense of competitive balance, I am not going to knock the Yankees for winning in the manner that they do.

[SPTO]

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I agree with Bgarrett here but I just have to shake my head. The Yanks seem to always be able to make these kind of deals when they really have nothing good to give the other teams.

I blame this on Pat Gillick more then anything else.

[BGarrett7]

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The Yanks seem to always be able to make these kind of deals when they really have nothing good to give the other teams.

Then -- which you seem to be doing -- blame the other teams who are willing to take chump change in return for dumping a salary they are looking to unload. It's teams like the Phils, Marlins, Pirates, etc who are willing to unload a $15M salary to teams like the Yanks, Sox, and Jays in order to get a sackful of nickels in return who are really at fault.

[SPTO]

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Pretty much, I don't mind teams having smaller payrolls but thw whole dumping of salary for minimal returns is just bad for the game.

That's all.

[rowddogg]

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I really dont think its the Yankees owning baseball...other teams can spend the money to use on their teams. Its only owners for example Carl Polhad (Twins) wont put more money into his team so they could have established power pitchers & hitters. Steinbrenner has wisely invested his money into his team. Just wish some other teams would do the same.

[CWood2]

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I agree with Bgarrett here but I just have to shake my head. The Yanks seem to always be able to make these kind of deals when they really have nothing good to give the other teams.

I blame this on Pat Gillick more then anything else.

I agree 100%. And it's not even like they dangled Hughes or Tabata and talked the Phillies down... everyone in baseball knew the Yankees would not trade either one, and for that, I give Cashman credit...and for putting up with George. And don't think for a second they won't spend whatever they want on whomever they want this offseason... but until they start developing more young talent, they're subscribing to a one team system that hasn't been working of late. That's where I disagree with BG...yes, there's gaping holes in the financial structure of baseball. But, exploiting them the same way you did 5 years ago while teams have realized that you can win by investing more in the farm is old news. Shame on the Phillies for not taking a top prospect, and good for the Yanks to get an OBP stud like Abreu. But overall, until Cashman has more of a say, and unless these salary dump robberies continue to this extent, I don't think we should sing their praises just yet.