Zito to...Giants!?

[TarHeelMan]

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Ouch, talking about twisting the knife.

What deal was worse the Kazmir deal, or the Eli/Chargers trade?

Eli/Chargers... Like I said in my previous post, with the dynamics of baseball, there's a good chance that we can outbid for Kazmir if we want to bring him back when he becomes a free agent. He's playing in Tampa Bay, now... While he's doing well, I'm sure most people think that he's probably not going to re-sign there.... If Kazmir wants big dough, his options are somewhat limited... Now, for Eli and co., the deal that got him sent to NY benefitted the Chargers big time, and will continue to do so for a long time... And they're stuck with him for the forseeable future.

[bkrich83]

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Well, the Mets traded Kazmir for Victor Zambrano, Victor Zambrano. It has to go down has a horrible, horrible trade. But when you trade Rivers, the picks who then turn out to be Merriman, and Kaeding for Eli f'n Manning, that takes the cake.

My buddy, who's a huge, huge Met fan, almost turns green in the face, with the mere mention of Kazmir.

As a Padre fan, there's about two dozen trades that they have made that makes me feel the same way. Much like Fred McGriff for Melvin Nieves in 1993.

[cjonesfan921]

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Ouch! I'll say Eli/Chargers because of the number of All-Stars that came out of that deal

I did not realize that Zito had a 1.40 WHIP last year. That's just atrocious. The Giants better hope/pray that this move pays off because that contract could become an albatross if Zito pitches like he did last year. The only way that contract is worth it is if he pitches at at least his 2005 level.

He has been inconsistent the last couple of years. If i'm not mistaken, he started out last year badly, then went through a stretch where he was incredible. Those numbers will be better with moving to the NL. I mean look at Arroyo.

[bkrich83]

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I did not realize that Zito had a 1.40 WHIP last year. That's just atrocious. The Giants better hope/pray that this move pays off because that contract could become an albatross if Zito pitches like he did last year. The only way that contract is worth it is if he pitches at at least his 2005 level.

That's what I was saying. He gives up a ton of baserunners. Less than a basehit per inning pitched, but I think he had nearly 100 walkes in about 220 innings.

Considering he doesn't induce many double plays, that's a lot of baserunners. Do the Giants play defense in the outfield as well as the A's?

[sask3m]

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barry zito is indeed an elite pitcher in baseball right now, if you were to ask all the gm's out there i'm sure they would say so as well.

[bkrich83]

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He has been inconsistent the last couple of years. If i'm not mistaken, he started out last year badly, then went through a stretch where he was incredible. Those numbers will be better with moving to the NL. I mean look at Arroyo.

Didn't the league begin to catch up with Arroyo after the AS break. After they see these guys a few times, it'a all about a pitcher's ability to pitch.

I like Zito, but I don't see him as an $18M dollar pitcher.

[cjonesfan921]

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That's what I was saying. He gives up a ton of baserunners. Less than a basehit per inning pitched, but I think he had nearly 100 walkes in about 220 innings.

Considering he doesn't induce many double plays, that's a lot of baserunners. Do the Giants play defense in the outfield as well as the A's?

They have Bonds. So, no. I don't know who else they got there though.

[bkrich83]

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barry zito is indeed an elite pitcher in baseball right now, if you were to ask all the gm's out there i'm sure they would say so as well.

I think it's more like, there's not a lot of pitching available, and so it was a sellers market. Zito wasn't even the best pitcher on his own team.

[bkrich83]

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They have Bonds. So, no. I don't know who else they got there though.

Dave Roberts, Randy Winn, Ryan Klesko, Jason Ellison, off the top of my head.

[TarHeelMan]

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What's the word on Milledge? Word was the Padres were possibly going to send some pitching the Mets way for him at one time. That since fell through, but his name pops up out here every once and a while.

Milledge is going to be included, it seems, in any trade negotiations with the Mets... However, it seems there have been questions about his attitude, and this might have driven down the price... We could have gotten a lot more for him during the season, I think, and I'm sure he was involved in that three way deal that Peter Angelos killed that would have brought us Roy Oswalt.

I think we'll still wind up trading him, but teams will probably want us to sweeten the deal.

[TarHeelMan]

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Didn't the league begin to catch up with Arroyo after the AS break. After they see these guys a few times, it'a all about a pitcher's ability to pitch.

I like Zito, but I don't see him as an $18M dollar pitcher.

Amen... Same will happen with Zito, I believe... He'll probably start out great, and then once people figure him out, he'll come back to earth... And when that happens, it's probably better for him that he's in San Francisco... It would have gotten UGLY if he had signed that contract with either NY team, and he wound up under-performing.... UGLY, I tell you.

[Psyblast]

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I think it's more like, there's not a lot of pitching available, and so it was a sellers market. Zito wasn't even the best pitcher on his own team.

You could argue he wasn't even the SECOND best pitcher on the A's.

[bkrich83]

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Amen... Same will happen with Zito, I believe... He'll probably start out great, and then once people figure him out, he'll come back to earth... And when that happens, it's probably better for him that he's in San Francisco... It would have gotten UGLY if he had signed that contract with either NY team, and he wound up under-performing.... UGLY, I tell you.

Fly ball pitcher in that spacious park with either Bonds or Klesko in the outfield would scare me a little bit if I were a Giants fan.

[bkrich83]

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You could argue he wasn't even the SECOND best pitcher on the A's.

That's true.

[sask3m]

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something tells me milledge doesn't have the same appeal to other teams that he did at the start of last season, reminds me of someone called strawberry, lol.