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  • jim416
    Banned
    • Feb 2003
    • 10606

    #31
    Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

    Yes, innocent until proven guilty, but everyone, and that is everyone, can have an opinion, express it. Grand jury is still out.

    The guy is a liar. My opinion. There's enough out there for me to come to that conclusion. He has also been one of the biggest horses rear ends in baseball, ever. If he would have admitted it like Giambi this would not even be an issue now. I have far more respect for Giambi then I ever could for this guy.

    Personally this Reggie Stocker (gee, won't even allow his name in dumb video games) will have his legacy. Hank Aaron will have his too. There will be no comparison.

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    • Spectre
      Th* ******
      • Mar 2003
      • 5853

      #32
      Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

      Originally posted by Brandon13
      He wouldn't have become one of the top three or four hitters in the history of baseball without whatever it was that he took. He wouldn't have become the greatest home run hitter of all time without whatever he took. I know you're a self admitted Bonds' homer (no pun intended), but I just don't see how you could believe that what he took had no positive effect on his baseball career.
      If you believe the authors of Game of Shadows, Bonds was using both the Cream and the Clear as of 2001 (in addition to exogenous insulin shots, human growth hormone, testosterone decanoate, and trenbolone).

      I haven't really seen a convincing refutation of their work yet.

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      • Blzer
        Resident film pundit
        • Mar 2004
        • 42520

        #33
        Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

        I'm not necessarily saying that it won't make him hit more home runs, but... let me put it in this light:

        Let's say that he, hypothetically, did take many steroids. If steroids really did make him a more powerful home run hitter, then he would be a less intimidating batter at the plate. That means not only less intentional walks, but less unintentional intentional walks. It also means less 3 - 1 and 2 - 0 backdoor sliders and changeups, is also means less lefty specialists to face him, it also means he still had more speed and would probably pull off a few bunts down the third base line just to get rid of that shift, it means he would probably have stayed healthier longer and would have been able to play in 2005... I mean, it just means many things.

        Plus, steroids aren't magic pills, and they do not make somebody a juggernaut overnight. As a matter of fact, I don't see it as cheating, either. I mean, it's illegal, yes... so therefore, that is, well, bad. But I don't see it as cheating like you guys do. Tell me what Jorge Piedra, Jeremy Giambi, Ryan Franklin, and Alex Sanchez were doing during their use of illegal steroids. Were they magically growing, hitting home runs, and becoming much better players? Bonds earns his home runs, steroids or not. Honestly, I don't care if Bonds, Pujols, Rodriguez, Sosa, Hafner, Cabrera, or Ortiz were on steroids and knocking the ball out... I just really don't care about steroids. Yes, it is illegal, but I just frankly don't care. I mean, I don't care. It doesn't bother me if they are. I'd prefer that they weren't, but to me, it just doesn't matter anymore. If they get caught, so be it. If they don't, maybe more power to them.


        At any rate, in 2004 Bonds hit more home runs than he struck out (45/41) and won the NL batting title. Steroids don't increase your average, and as a matter of fact, if bat speed and ball drive are indeed factors due to taking supplements and working out to gain more muscle mass, fly outs could have been singles.


        Anyway, to me, it just doesn't matter.
        Last edited by Blzer; 04-10-2007, 10:34 PM.
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        • Scottdau
          Banned
          • Feb 2003
          • 32580

          #34
          Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

          Originally posted by Brandon13
          He wouldn't have become one of the top three or four hitters in the history of baseball without whatever it was that he took. He wouldn't have become the greatest home run hitter of all time without whatever he took. I know you're a self admitted Bonds' homer (no pun intended), but I just don't see how you could believe that what he took had no positive effect on his baseball career.
          Watch it there now! lol He had 500 hrs before the muscle! So that is still going to be consider one of the greatest power hitters.
          Let's say he didn't bulk up he would still be close to 600 or maybe even a little more. That is a lot of HR's! Even with out the muscle he would avg about 30 to 35 HR's and maybe 40 too!

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          • Sully
            Hall Of Fame
            • Feb 2003
            • 16003

            #35
            Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

            Eh, the clown can have the record. He won't hold on to it too long. Thankfully, there's some guys on pace that are worthy of it. Fact of the matter is, the first thing to come to mind when you hear the name Barry Bonds is steroids. That'll always be part of the discussion when you talk about his talents. Instead of praising him as a great player, he'll be questioned forever. Live with that, Barry. You're a joke.

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            • Scottdau
              Banned
              • Feb 2003
              • 32580

              #36
              Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

              Originally posted by Blzer
              I'm not necessarily saying that it won't make him hit more home runs, but... let me put it in this light:

              Let's say that he, hypothetically, did take many steroids. If steroids really did make him a more powerful home run hitter, then he would be a less intimidating batter at the plate. That means not only less intentional walks, but less unintentional intentional walks. It also means less 3 - 1 and 2 - 0 backdoor sliders and changeups, is also means less lefty specialists to face him, it also means he still had more speed and would probably pull off a few bunts down the third base line just to get rid of that shift, it means he would probably have stayed healthier longer and would have been able to play in 2005... I mean, it just means many things.

              Plus, steroids aren't magic pills, and they do not make somebody a juggernaut overnight. As a matter of fact, I don't see it as cheating, either. I mean, it's illegal, yes... so therefore, that is, well, bad. But I don't see it as cheating like you guys do. Tell me what Jorge Piedra, Jeremy Giambi, Ryan Franklin, and Alex Sanchez were doing during their use of illegal steroids. Were they magically growing, hitting home runs, and becoming much better players? Bonds earns his home runs, steroids or not. Honestly, I don't care if Bonds, Pujols, Rodriguez, Sosa, Hafner, Cabrera, or Ortiz were on steroids and knocking the ball out... I just really don't care about steroids. Yes, it is illegal, but I just frankly don't care. I mean, I don't care. It doesn't bother me if they are. I'd prefer that they weren't, but to me, it just doesn't matter anymore. If they get caught, so be it. If they don't, maybe more power to them.


              At any rate, in 2004 Bonds hit more home runs than he struck out (46/42) and won the NL batting title. Steroids don't increase your average, and as a matter of fact, if bat speed and ball drive are indeed factors due to taking supplements and working out to gain more muscle mass, fly outs could have been singles.


              Anyway, to me, it just doesn't matter.
              Dang Blzer, can't you make your statement smaller. I am sure you have some great things to say, but I don't have time to read your book! lol Just get to the point with out all the words!

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              • Scottdau
                Banned
                • Feb 2003
                • 32580

                #37
                Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

                Originally posted by Sully
                Eh, the clown can have the record. He won't hold on to it too long. Thankfully, there's some guys on pace that are worthy of it.

                The funny thing about that is they better stay healthy and play until they are 40 and continue to hit about 40HR's a year. I don't see that happening, but you never know.

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                • Blzer
                  Resident film pundit
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 42520

                  #38
                  Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

                  Originally posted by Scottd
                  Dang Blzer, can't you make your statement smaller. I am sure you have some great things to say, but I don't have time to read your book! lol Just get to the point with out all the words!
                  I think my main point was that steroids are a non-issue to me in this day and age. I have no proof, but I am led to believe that half of the league is doing something illegal anyway in attempt to give them an advantage... why is Bonds any more important? He is not, and he should not be any more targeted than anybody else. The record is at stake, big deal. Live with it. Records are meant to be broken.

                  By the way, that post was directed toward everyone.
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                  • Scottdau
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 32580

                    #39
                    Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

                    Originally posted by Sully
                    Eh, the clown can have the record. He won't hold on to it too long. Thankfully, there's some guys on pace that are worthy of it. Fact of the matter is, the first thing to come to mind when you hear the name Barry Bonds is steroids. That'll always be part of the discussion when you talk about his talents. Instead of praising him as a great player, he'll be questioned forever. Live with that, Barry. You're a joke.
                    Sure becasue they don't like the guy, but if he was loved by the media and the World, you would be hearing a different story! But what ever he is guilty.

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                    • Spectre
                      Th* ******
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 5853

                      #40
                      Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

                      Why did his cap size grow from 7 1/8 to 7 1/4? Skull growth is driven by brain growth and I seriously doubt his brain grew in the 30s.

                      Why did his cleat size go from 10.5 to 13.5?

                      I guess I can finally use some of the medical knowledge I've been gathering- in adulthood, excessive HGH results in new periosteal bone growth and growth of hands and feet. You can't make this stuff up.

                      Steroids are IMHO the main reason Barry has been able to maintain his production as he enters his 40s.

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                      • Brandon13
                        All Star
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 8915

                        #41
                        Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

                        Originally posted by Scottd
                        Watch it there now! lol He had 500 hrs before the muscle! So that is still going to be consider one of the greatest power hitters.
                        Let's say he didn't bulk up he would still be close to 600 or maybe even a little more. That is a lot of HR's! Even with out the muscle he would avg about 30 to 35 HR's and maybe 40 too!
                        But he wouldn't have become THE GREATEST home run hitter of all time without steroids. He was a great, great player before all of this, but he wasn't going to be mentioned along with Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, etc. as one of the greatest hitters to have ever lived.

                        And Blzer, while I don't agree with you're point of view on steroids, at least I understand where you're coming from now.

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                        • Scottdau
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 32580

                          #42
                          Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

                          Originally posted by Blzer
                          I think my main point was that steroids are a non-issue to me in this day and age. I have no proof, but I am led to believe that half of the league is doing something illegal anyway in attempt to give them an advantage... why is Bonds any more important? He is not, and he should not be any more targeted than anybody else. The record is at stake, big deal. Live with it. Records are meant to be broken.

                          By the way, that post was directed toward everyone.
                          There you go! That was much better to me thanks. Now I agree about steroids if it was only Bonds using then I would have a problem, but I sure a lot of guys used something.

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                          • Sully
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 16003

                            #43
                            Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

                            Originally posted by Scottd
                            Sure becasue they don't like the guy, but if he was loved by the media and the World, you would be hearing a different story! But what ever he is guilty.
                            Yeah, you're absolutely right, because everyone speaks so fondly of Mark McGwire these days....

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                            • Skerik
                              Living in this tube
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 5215

                              #44
                              Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

                              More and more, I'm realizing I don't care about the continuing witchhunt by MLB (and the feds) against Barroid. Regardless of what they manage to find (or not find due to people like Greg Anderson being willing to rot in jail rather than share what they know), the man has been convicted in the court of public opinion as a cheat and a fraud.

                              Baseball, as a sport, has been looked after throughout its history by its fans and by those who cover the game. Both of whom, by and large, now regard Barroid as a cheater. That's good enough for me.
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                              • Scottdau
                                Banned
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 32580

                                #45
                                Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

                                Originally posted by Brandon13
                                But he wouldn't have become THE GREATEST home run hitter of all time without steroids. He was a great, great player before all of this, but he wasn't going to be mentioned along with Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, etc. as one of the greatest hitters to have ever lived.

                                And Blzer, while I don't agree with you're point of view on steroids, at least I understand where you're coming from now.

                                If Bonds was on pace to hit over 500 and maybe 600 HRs he would be consider in that group! And that is the pace he was on. So nice try lol Plus with all the SB's he would have and gold gloves he would have had too if his was thin, wow there is a 5 tool player.

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