Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

[jim416]

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I'm sorry, that's not physiologically or anatomically possible.

Fat gets deposited almost entirely below the scalp. There is just very little room for fat deposition on the scalp- there is virtually no space between skin and bone up there. You'll get fat on your chin, face, but not that high up.

Your skull grows when your brain grows. Brain does not grow in your 30s and 40s.

You are correct. This head of mine has been this big since I killed a bear with Davy Crockett. My weight has fluctuated as much as 60 pounds. Same hat.

[Scottdau]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

Since high school? His head has grown since he joined the Giants! Let me know how much your head grows past the age of 35. I'm guessing not at all unless you're transitioning from a normal-shaped body to being morbidly obese. In which case, you're probably not still playing major league baseball hitting home runs.

The bottom line the more weight you put on the bigger your head gets, but OK. In the last 10 years I went to a 6 3/4 size to a 7 1'4. But OK!

[Sully]

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Why aren't they going after other players? I tell you why they aren't breaking a great record. That is why it is wrong, because if it was not a record he was breaking baseball wouldn't care. That is wrong they should care and make an example out of it, but if Bonds wasn't breaking a record they wouldn't period. That is why it is wrong, aslo baseball knew that roids were in the game and did nothing to stopit, why? It brought them money! Period. If baseball wasn't so worried about the Public they would be celebrating it. That is more money to them!

Haven't players been suspended for steroid use? Ok! Nice try though!

[Brandon13]

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As much as I hate to promote Bonds, I have a problem with these types of statements.

There are asterisks and certain "advantages" in any era. Ted Williams played in an era where pitching staffs went three-deep, whereas pitchers threw on short rest. Ruth played in an era where the league had no racial diversity, and as we know now, some of the superstars in this league (Ortiz, Pujols, etc.) are minorities. There was also less-emphasis on pitch count, relief pitching, and less-detailed scouting reports, unlike this statistic-conscience era of baseball.

Just my 2 cents. Doesn't seem fair to single out the "Steroid Era", when there were also flaws in previous eras which ALSO gave hitters advantages.

And when Ruth played if a ball bounced over the fence it was counted as a home run. But still, he wouldn't have been as great as he was at such an old age without steroids.

[Scottdau]

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I've been thinking of O.J. this entire discussion. I just didn't want to be the one that brought it up.

Good one. I got it. I hope Scott doesn't believe this guy was not responsible for a couple deaths. Yep, courts found him "innocent". Just because he had his day in court.

Yeah I think he did it, but still I don't think that because the public say so. But I willsay I don't know for sure. I have seen some crazy cases before involving cops.

[jim416]

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Why aren't they going after other players? I tell you why they aren't breaking a great record. That is why it is wrong, because if it was not a record he was breaking baseball wouldn't care. That is wrong they should care and make an example out of it, but if Bonds wasn't breaking a record they wouldn't period. That is why it is wrong, aslo baseball knew that roids were in the game and did nothing to stopit, why? It brought them money! Period. If baseball wasn't so worried about the Public they would be celebrating it. That is more money to them!

Scott, you may be correct, but don't you have to start someplace? I'm still betting that if Bonds would have come out like Giambi we wouldn't be discussing this. We naturally embrace most people who fess up. Bonds hasn't helped himself by being the biggest butthole to play the game in the last, what 20 years.

[Spectre]

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As much as I hate to promote Bonds, I have a problem with these types of statements.

There are asterisks and certain "advantages" in any era. Ted Williams played in an era where pitching staffs went three-deep, whereas pitchers threw on short rest. Ruth played in an era where the league had no racial diversity, and as we know now, some of the superstars in this league (Ortiz, Pujols, etc.) are minorities. There was also less-emphasis on pitch count, relief pitching, and less-detailed scouting reports, unlike this statistic-conscience era of baseball.

Just my 2 cents. Doesn't seem fair to single out the "Steroid Era", when there were also flaws in previous eras which ALSO gave hitters advantages.

1) Modern baseball has categorically worse pitching than there existed in the past- expansion has led to a watering down of pitching quality.

2) Just because the old staffs were 3 men staffs doesn't mean that they are inferior to modern 5 man rotations for a few reasons. Pitcher's arms were stretched out and were strengthened to shoulder the load. Heck, pitchers' arms in the 60s/70s could support throwing 150 pitches a game because that's how they were trained. Pitch-count really doesn't matter.

I'd rather have a good, maybe slightly tired pitcher on 3 days rest rather than a mediocre pitcher on 5 days rest.

3) The diversity issue is an important one but the only comparison I care about in this particular context is Aaron vs. Bonds- they played in fairly equal demographic times. Of the issues you brought up, this definitely has an impact on measuring hitters in days past vs. today.

[Scottdau]

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Haven't players been suspended for steroid use? Ok! Nice try though!

And yet Bonds is still playing! Nice try!

[Brandon13]

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Yeah I think he did it, but still I don't think that because the public say so. But I willsay I don't know for sure. I have seen some crazy cases before involving cops.

I don't think anyone here believes he took steroids just because everyone else believes it. We say he took them because there is a lot evidence saying he did.

[Sully]

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And yet Bonds is still playing! Nice try!

Well, then doesn't that refute your claim that the MLB is only targeting Barry? You're contradicting yourself.

[jim416]

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Yeah I think he did it, but still I don't think that because the public say so. But I willsay I don't know for sure. I have seen some crazy cases before involving cops.

Scott, the public can read. The public can investigate things themselves. I would trust most normal public perception over most lawyers, most newsreporters and most politicians. I'd even venture to say that jurist, oh the horror, go into a trial with a preconceived notion to innocence or guilt.

[daflyboys]

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What you said was:

"As a matter of fact, I don't see it as cheating, either. I mean, it's illegal, yes... so therefore, that is, well, bad. But I don't see it as cheating like you guys do."

"I just really don't care about steroids. Yes, it is illegal, but I just frankly don't care. I mean, I don't care. It doesn't bother me if they are. I'd prefer that they weren't, but to me, it just doesn't matter anymore. If they get caught, so be it. If they don't, maybe more power to them."


So, let's say your kid is a very, very good elementary school student, like you were. Then, your kid enters middle school where they keep statistics for grades throughout these and high school years. At the beginning of his Senior year you get a letter from the administration that he has been stringing together so many A's that he is about to break the long standing school record as long as he continues getting A's this year. You know he had been doing well and that he had a chance to do this along the way. But, something was odd over the years. You noticed some changes in physical appearance, mood, things beyond normal maturation during these years. It occurs to you that it is possible he had been enhancing his already keen intellect, but can't quite prove how and he won't submit to any tests to validate or invalidate your suspicions. Many, many others have had the same, if not stronger, suspicions.

So you're going to tell me that you would be okay with the notion that he may have cheated and that if he actually, truly did, and got away with it..... more power to him?

[Scottdau]

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Now come on did you see the size of the ball parks Ruth had to hit in. if he was hitting today ball parks he would be killing the ball! Now one can argue the pitchers all better, but who. Jim you played with Ruth? What were the pitchers like? Also Jim your head is bigger today, we just didn't want to tell you.

[Spectre]

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And yet Bonds is still playing! Nice try!

The Bonds camp has yet to refute a single claim made in Game of Shadows.

The only arguments that they have made is a questioning of the author's motives but never the substance of the book.

[Scottdau]

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Well, then doesn't that refute your claim that the MLB is only targeting Barry? You're contradicting yourself.

Not not really but it does yours. If he is so guilty why is MLB still letting him play?