Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

[NYJets]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

I just really don't care about steroids. Yes, it is illegal, but I just frankly don't care. I mean, I don't care. It doesn't bother me if they are. I'd prefer that they weren't, but to me, it just doesn't matter anymore. If they get caught, so be it. If they don't, maybe more power to them.

Coming from you this is hillarious.

You are such a hypocrite.

[jim416]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE THINK HE'S A CHEAT AND A FRAUD.

Baseball IS going to celebrate it, to a chorus of "boos" from smart fans in cities other than SF.

[Scottdau]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

If he knows Bonds is innocent, you can understand why he's spending time in jail? Why wouldn't he, you know, just tell the Grand Jury the truth, that Barroid is innocent, and then go home?

Because if he knows Barry is innocent his conscience would get to him. How hasn't the man with the information turn on Bonds yet. That is my question?

[Scottdau]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

I'm sorry, but in this case, the "innocent until proven guilty" clause, doesn't fly. The evidence against him is beyond overwhelming.

Well all I will say I am glad I am America! lol

[Skerik]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

I give up. I'm going to go cry myself to sleep.

[Brandon13]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

Because if he knows Barry is innocent his conscience would get to him. How hasn't the man with the information turn on Bonds yet. That is my question?

Like someone said earlier, he probably has a big check with his name on it waiting for him once he finally gets out of prison. But again, I'm just speculating here.

[Spectre]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

Well, also remember because of the limited rotations and the fewer amount of teams, pitcher/batter familiarity was very high.

I also think your vastly underrating the impact of fatigue on a pitcher, and bear in mind that after the "dead-ball era", the MLB made an attempt to increase offensive production.

If your claim about statistics was true, then this familiarity argument shouldn't matter too much. Regardless, a good pitcher is a good pitcher. If you face Johan Santana 20 times, it won't make too much of a difference.

I disagree about fatigue- if you train to throw 150 pitches your whole life, you'll be well suited to do it. I've never read any 1st person (or 3rd person even) accounts from pitchers in the early part of the 20th century even once mentioning fatigue. You look at Doc Gooden in the 80s, guy threw 200 innings in the minors as an 18 year old. You try that with a guy today and his arm will fall off. Injuries are far more frequent now too.

The dead-ball argument only gives more credit to the hitters of days past who had to hit in spite of those restrictions.

I dunno why I'm arguing with a Dodgers fan in a Bonds thread

[jim416]

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Well all I will say I am glad I am America! lol

Scott, do you think the truth comes out in trials? Do you? Then you haven't been to many. Our courts are so corrupt these days AND unfair depending on who you are AND depending on how much money you have to defend yourself.

You need to get yourself arrested and I'll see how quick you are faithful to the American justice system.

[Brandon13]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

I give up. I'm going to go cry myself to sleep.

Yeah, it's useless. I, like Jim, want to know what you really think Scott. You've got to have some sort of an opinion other than he's innocent until the courts say otherwise.

[jim416]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

I give up. I'm going to go cry myself to sleep.

Good idea.....later.

[Scottdau]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

Perhaps he has a BIG paycheck waiting for him.

Scott, come on. What is your opinion? Do you think Bonds lied and has been taking steroids. If you tell me you never have an opinon on things then I will have the mods ban you from The Show forums.

You want my honest opinion. I don't know. I know he got big, but I have been a Giants fan and watched each year a bigger bigger Bonds. Not just over night or a year period. I guess I see a guy that was raise to respect the game and play fair. I mean Mays is Idol and God father and he knew what the game meant to them. But deep down inside I don't know.

[Scottdau]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

Yeah, it's useless. I, like Jim, want to know what you really think Scott. You've got to have some sort of an opinion other than he's innocent until the courts say otherwise.

If he is found guilty then yes I will say he is guilty, but I have a cousin that play in the 70's and 80's in MLB and the story he told me about uppers made me think that cheating is always going to be apart of sports!

[Scottdau]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

Scott, do you think the truth comes out in trials? Do you? Then you haven't been to many. Our courts are so corrupt these days AND unfair depending on who you are AND depending on how much money you have to defend yourself.

You need to get yourself arrested and I'll see how quick you are faithful to the American justice system.

And so is the police. I am just saying this. If he is found guilty in a court then I wouldn't have much to agrue about.

[Brandon13]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

If he is found guilty then yes I will say he is guilty, but I have a cousin that play in the 70's and 80's in MLB and the story he told me about uppers made me think that cheating is always going to be apart of sports!

I'm sure cheating goes back to the first sports ever played. But it doesn't mean we should just accept it.

[Chip Douglass]

Re: Hank Aaron won't witness Bonds break the record

Yeah, it's useless. I, like Jim, want to know what you really think Scott. You've got to have some sort of an opinion other than he's innocent until the courts say otherwise.

He's a Giants fan, and his team's season is being flushed down the toilet. I guess all that matters out in SF is the home-run record.