Torre in Tampa

[Sandman42]

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So word around the block is Torre managed for incentives in his earlier contracts.

He received a $1 million dollar incentive in his two earlier contracts for reaching the postseason.

So, now of course, Torre's integrity is up for question. Why would he accept that incentive but consider $3 million in incentives an insult?

And the plot thickens...

He said the main reason he rejected the deal was for the length of it, not for the incentives.

[CMH]

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That's not what this says.

“I’d been there 12 years and did not feel motivation was needed,” he said at a packed news conference here. “I didn’t think it was the right thing for me or the right thing for my players,” because it would have put too much pressure on everyone.

"I expressed my dissatisfaction with the length of the contract," he said of the meeting. "I explained that and the fact that the incentives, which to me I took as, you know, an insult -- that we basically get to postseason and then all of a sudden we're satisfied with where we've gotten to."

[Sandman42]

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In his interview with Costas he said the length of the contract was why he rejected the offer, not the money. He did also say he felt insulted by the incentives though.

[CMH]

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Well, I believe that the years definitely would affect his decision.

The reason why this comes up is because he called the incentives an insult. It seems like he made everyone believe that he didn't think he deserved to take incentives as a means to prove his measure for managing a team. Yet, that's exactly what he did in his previous two contracts.

That's contradictory and not exactly a great thing for Torre.

I bet a Yankee official leaked this information. That's the only part that makes me find this sketchy.

[Brandon13]

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Wasn't one of the incentives that his contract would be extended another year if he won the World Series? I think that's probably the one that bothered him most.

[NYJets]

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Which contract did he take incentives in? I mean, when he first came to the Yankees, he hadn't made the playoffs 12 straight years and hadn't won 4 world series, so he shouldn't expect eh t same contact.

[ehh]

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Reports are indicating that a decision might come late this afternoon. Typically "big" announcements cannot be made during the WS but Selig can waive that rule in certain situations.

Especially because today is an off-day, Selig might agree to waive the rule if the Yankees are ready to make their decision.

Also, there are hints that Cashman wants Girardi but The Sons want Mattingly, so there is a stalemate right now.

The drama continues to heighten....

[ckarlic]

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Reports are indicating that a decision might come late this afternoon. Typically "big" announcements cannot be made during the WS but Selig can waive that rule in certain situations.

Especially because today is an off-day, Selig might agree to waive the rule if the Yankees are ready to make their decision.

Also, there are hints that Cashman wants Girardi but The Sons want Mattingly, so there is a stalemate right now.

The drama continues to heighten....

I'd be happy with either one of those guys managing the Yanks. Gonna be an eventful offseason i think!

[SPTO]

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Also, there are hints that Cashman wants Girardi but The Sons want Mattingly, so there is a stalemate right now.

Cashman better be careful. The more he disagrees with the sons the more I see his days with the Yanks coming to an end.

[Sandman42]

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Reports are indicating that a decision might come late this afternoon. Typically "big" announcements cannot be made during the WS but Selig can waive that rule in certain situations.

Especially because today is an off-day, Selig might agree to waive the rule if the Yankees are ready to make their decision.

Also, there are hints that Cashman wants Girardi but The Sons want Mattingly, so there is a stalemate right now.

The drama continues to heighten....

I think they may have already made their decision because Cashman already left Tampa to head back to NY. I did hear the other day though that the Tampa Trio and Levine wanted Mattingly, but Cashman preferred Girardi.

[ComfortablyLomb]

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Cashman better be careful. The more he disagrees with the sons the more I see his days with the Yanks coming to an end.

Then why even have a GM? You don't need someone on the staff whose entire job is to tell you what you're already thinking. Girardi is the correct pick between those two IMO (edit - at least so long as he agrees to play by the front office's usage rules with the young'uns). I have my fingers crossed that they go with Mattingly.

[CMH]

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Rumors say Cashman is being given the power to make the manager decision and he prefers Girardi. The Steinbrenner's apparently have given him this power so that if it fails Cashman would be the one to take the full blame. Kinda shady but what else can you expect from a Steinbrenner.

The stalemate is more likely to do with Selig not giving the Yankees permission to hold a news conference during the World Series.

[Gary Armida]

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I find it laughable that people are saying that Don Mattingly is not qualified. I think we forget that Joe Girardi (an excellent manager) was a bench coach for a season (or two) and went on to be manager of the year in his rookie season. He has exactly one year of experience over Mattingly. Mattingly is a student of the game, wasn't blessed with tremendous skills yet willed himself to be one of the best of his era. His work as a coach has been described as meticulous and well planned.

I just don't think the Yankees can go wrong with either choice (or Tony Pena for that matter).

[SPTO]

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The Steinbrenner's apparently have given him this power so that if it fails Cashman would be the one to take the full blame. Kinda shady but what else can you expect from a Steinbrenner.

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Sheesh, George's kids are more cruel and Machievillian (sp) then their old man! George would just fire whoever he wants outright rather then play these mind games.

[TarHeelMan]

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If they hire Mattingly then I have 4 words:

Don Mattingly = Gerry Faust

If you don't know who the latter is look him up.

Mattingly would have had to have been a high school or college baseball coach suddenly being promoted to leading the most storied franchise in the sport for this comparison to hold weight. Gerry Faust had no clue what he was getting into in South Bend and was ill prepared to handle the pressure. Mattingly is a Yankee through and through, and understands what goes into playing and managing in the Bronx. Faust had also never been a recruiter before, which Mattingly won't have to worry about; with the Yanks $$ and farm system behind him, he will never have to suffer for lack of talent... Two totally different situations, mang.