Torre in Tampa

[oakfan162]

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How come Dusty is still working for ESPN? How long until his contract with them ends and he becomes the Red's manager? Is there like a freeze on contracts during the WS?

[ryanm1058123]

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One thing I will always respect Joe Torre for is how he brought class back to the Yankees organization and for that I can never thank him enough. But time is time, and it's time for a new manager. You came in with class, you leave with class. Hopefully he gets his number retired and all of that other jazz that the best Yankees have gotten over the years. Because make no doubt, he is a legendary Yankee.

[ckarlic]

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One thing I will always respect Joe Torre for is how he brought class back to the Yankees organization and for that I can never thank him enough. But time is time, and it's time for a new manager. You came in with class, you leave with class. Hopefully he gets his number retired and all of that other jazz that the best Yankees have gotten over the years. Because make no doubt, he is a legendary Yankee.

Couldnt have said it better myself..I feel the same way..Torre did exactly what you said..Brought back Class to the Yankees..on that note..and this is a little bit off topic but I feel that the Red Sox (call me biased if you will) are lacking class..I mean look at Manny and his antics during the game and post game...Not classy in my opinion. That is all im going to say about this.

Torre will be missed but like you i feel that change is needed. Thanks Joe!!!

[nyisles16]

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you could tell during the press conference that while Torre & Steinbrenner had a relationship, that he really had no "fans" in the front office..

[ckarlic]

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you could tell during the press conference that while Torre & Steinbrenner had a relationship, that he really had no "fans" in the front office..

Yeah i felt the same way!!

[davehughes14]

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One thing I will always respect Joe Torre for is how he brought class back to the Yankees organization and for that I can never thank him enough. But time is time, and it's time for a new manager. You came in with class, you leave with class. Hopefully he gets his number retired and all of that other jazz that the best Yankees have gotten over the years. Because make no doubt, he is a legendary Yankee.

Nicely said.

[SPTO]

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you could tell during the press conference that while Torre & Steinbrenner had a relationship, that he really had no "fans" in the front office..

I usually think Steve Philips is full of crap but he made the point that Torre did have a major backer in Cashman but when he went down to Tampa the decision makers were all suits.

The Yankees have suddenly become uber corporate with business people meddling into personnel decisions. If this is indeed the direction that Hal and Hank Steinbrenner are going to take the Yankees in then it's going to be a dark period with much of the same results as the Yanks had when CBS ran the club from '65 to '72.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cashman is fired or is gone by the end of of '08.

[EWRMETS]

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You can look at all my posts since the end of the ALDS, they all say I do not want Mattingly as our next manager. Unfortunately the Yankee FO will most likely feel differently.

Yeah I wasn't implying that you wanted him but that's the likely scenario.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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So because Don Mattingly is inferior as a bench coach to Zimmer, let's hire Mattingly as manager!

I'm sorry I seeing Mattingly not fairing to good at all as a manager...


If I was the Yankees, I would hir Larry Bowa in a heartbeat, Let him light a fire under the Dull Yankee's aress, because thats what they need right now, not some class act player from the past, they need a manager with ball's per say...

[mgoblue]

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It appears that the Yankee brain trust wanted the turning down to be done by Torre and not by them. Offer him something with a lot of hoops to jump through for the full salary.

To be honest I do not think he is even worth the 5 million! He was a very lucky manager to be with an organization who could afford high talent. He basically plugged in the names and off the team went. I really question his managing ability when the talent is not stellar. He has shown holes in his decision making process when dealing with bullpen situations, etc.

I think you'll be quite surprised next season and perhaps rethink this. Torre had all the intangibles you need to be able to survive as the manager of the Yankees. 99% of all other managers would have imploded sometime over Torre's 12 years. Don't forget how well he manages the egos of all the older talent they have.

I agree that sometimes Torre's in game managing can be questioned, but I wouldn't totally dismiss all the other things he was able to do. Even just to deal with the craziness/stupidity of Steinbrenner is something most managers cannot do as well as Torre.

[CMH]

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The Yankees have always been corporate. It's always a topic of discussion when talking about their history.

Cashman has always been a Torre supporter. People are already forgetting that Cashman convinced Steinbrenner to hold onto Torre for 2007.

And all I keep reading is how manager's don't have a huge effect on wins and losses in baseball. If they do it's extremely minimal.

So with that in mind and a manager whose contract has already run out (it's not like they fired the guy) wouldn't you think that maybe it would make more business sense to hire another good manager at a lower price?

Yet, along with that I keep reading, "Yankees don't know what they had." "How could you get rid of such a great manager?"

Maybe it's because they strongly believe that someone else could do the job just as well. Can anyone here really argue that a new manager couldn't win with that Yankee lineup?

[RoyalBoyle78]

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The Yankees have always been corporate. It's always a topic of discussion when talking about their history.

Cashman has always been a Torre supporter. People are already forgetting that Cashman convinced Steinbrenner to hold onto Torre for 2007.

And all I keep reading is how manager's don't have a huge effect on wins and losses in baseball. If they do it's extremely minimal.

So with that in mind and a manager whose contract has already run out (it's not like they fired the guy) wouldn't you think that maybe it would make more business sense to hire another good manager at a lower price?

Yet, along with that I keep reading, "Yankees don't know what they had." "How could you get rid of such a great manager?"

Maybe it's because they strongly believe that someone else could do the job just as well. Can anyone here really argue that a new manager couldn't win with that Yankee lineup?

The real question is, Can anyone here really argue that the yankees lineup can think they can really win with the Yankee lineup?

[TheMatrix31]

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Well, when you have a lineup that great, they should be able to win regardless of manager's influence.

I understand why they did it, I'm just sad to see him go.

[SPTO]

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The Yankees have always been corporate. It's always a topic of discussion when talking about their history.

That's true to an extent but much of Steinbrenner's run as owner has been anything BUT corporate.

I agree with footballforever. I think the Yanks need a firebrand manager like Bowa in there to breathe some fire into that club. Of course, there's the added bonus of seeing Bowa melt under the NY spotlight but as a Jays fan that might be to their benefit

I just have a bad feeling when I hear about Mattingly being named manager. I know he's a class act and hiring him would probably keep most of the FAs with the team but I just don't see him succeeding for some reason.

[Sandman42]

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The real question is, Can anyone here really argue that the yankees lineup can think they can really win with the Yankee lineup?

My head hurts trying to read that sentence. I've re-read it like 10 times and still have no idea what it means.

Also I don't see why the Yankees would need a manager to light a fire under them. No one on the team is underachieving. The reason they haven't won in the playoffs like the past is because they don't have the starting pitching nor the bullpen depth like they used to. A new manager isn't going to change that.