Torre in Tampa

[NYJets]

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[davehughes14]

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Bring on Girardi!

Amen!

[ryanm1058123]

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It is simply comical, and you do not follow the Yankees enough, if you think 5mil is a lowball offer. He would still be the highest paid manager in the MLB.

Any other manager would have been fired 3 years ago

[EWRMETS]

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It is simply comical, and you do not follow the Yankees enough, if you think 5mil is a lowball offer. He would still be the highest paid manager in the MLB.

Any other manager would have been fired 3 years ago

What manager has been fired for making the playoffs 12 straight years, and winning 4 World Series? When you are dealing with a Hall of Fame manager, you don't ask him to take a pay cut.

[ryanm1058123]

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What manager has been fired for making the playoffs 12 straight years, and winning 4 World Series? When you are dealing with a Hall of Fame manager, you don't ask him to take a pay cut.

What manager has had a $200M team every year for the last 3 years and lost in the first round?

What manager has ever choked a 3-0 lead in a playoff series?

What manager has ever batted quite possibly the best player ever (or soon to be) 8th in an ALDS game?

[bkrich83]

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What manager has had a $200M team every year for the last 3 years and lost in the first round?

What manager has ever choked a 3-0 lead in a playoff series?

What manager has ever batted quite possibly the best player ever (or soon to be) 8th in an ALDS game?

$200 Million payroll does you no good when the players aren't very good. That falls on Cashman and the rest of the FO.

[ryanm1058123]

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$200 Million payroll does you no good when the players aren't very good. That falls on Cashman and the rest of the FO.

teams with far worse pitching and hitting have made it farther. See the 2006 Cardinals. The 2005 White Sox.

[Brandon13]

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teams with far worse pitching and hitting have made it farther. See the 2006 Cardinals. The 2005 White Sox.

The playoffs are a crapshoot. Plain and simple.

[bkrich83]

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teams with far worse pitching and hitting have made it farther. See the 2006 Cardinals. The 2005 White Sox.

Apparently not far worse, since they won.

Manager or not, players still have to run hit and catch. And the Yankees don't do 2 out of 3 of those very well, and they don't do any of those very well when the spotlights are on.

I didn't see Joe Torre hitting in to double plays in the clutch, ala Jeter. Not executing falls on the players.

[ryanm1058123]

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Apparently not far worse, since they won.

Manager or not, players still have to run hit and catch. And the Yankees don't do 2 out of 3 of those very well, and they don't do any of those very well when the spotlights are on.

I didn't see Joe Torre hitting in to double plays in the clutch, ala Jeter.

Jeter has been dreadful for the past 4 years in the playoffs aside from Game 1 of the 2006 ALDS where he went 5-5. But that's another point for another day.

Sometimes you need to make a change to make a change. The team has become complacent and you don't want that. The atmosphere needs to change around the team. I'd rather see what happens without Torre than going into every year and knowing that we will lose in the first round.

[bkrich83]

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Jeter has been dreadful for the past 4 years in the playoffs aside from Game 1 of the 2006 ALDS where he went 5-5. But that's another point for another day.

Sometimes you need to make a change to make a change. The team has become complacent and you don't want that. The atmosphere needs to change around the team. I'd rather see what happens without Torre than going into every year and knowing that we will lose in the first round.

I think Yankee fans are just about to find out exactly how good they had it. I mean anyone that watched this team from the beginning of the season, actually think it was a championship caliber team from a personnel standpoint? The writing was on the wall from opening day.

They want to get past the first round, get better players.

[ryanm1058123]

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I don't think you can make a fair judgement on Joe Torre as a Yankee manager unless you watched them game in and game out, every game during the year for many years. Yankees have some young arms coming up and they can't afford them to be abused like Joe Torre likes the abuse his bullpen arms. And so on and so forth

[bkrich83]

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I don't think you can make a fair judgement on Joe Torre as a Yankee manager unless you watched them game in and game out, every game during the year for many years. Yankees have some young arms coming up and they can't afford them to be abused like Joe Torre likes the abuse his bullpen arms. And so on and so forth

Working at home, and having the MLB package, I see a large portion of their games. Especially those afternoon games that start about 11:00 am my time, when no other games are on. Also saw them in person several times this year both home and away.

[ryanm1058123]

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Do you see how year after year he's run decent relievers into the ground?

[CMH]

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Saying I think it's time for a change doesn't mean I'm screaming, "good riddance" to Torre.

I realize how great he was for this organization over the past 12 years. But that still doesn't change the fact or possibility that the Yankees need to move on.

It's bound to happen eventually. Torre can't manage them forever. They have two guys waiting in the wings that can probably do as good a job. It's a new era in New York with the young arms they are bringing in. Time to move on.