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It's obvious the Yanks didn't want Joe Torre around for too long. They also don't want to pay him 7 million a year for another 3 years.
So, they offered him an incentive based deal for one season.
I don't see the problem. I already knew the Yanks didn't like paying Torre so much and they don't want him to be guarenteed for a number of years at the high price.
Offering him a contract is basically just a thank you note. They could have just not offered him a thing."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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What do the Mets have to do with anything. The Yankees try to portray themselves as a classy organization, but the way they treated Torre is a disgrace. The reason why it took them so long to make a decision about Torre was because they don't have unified management. The Yankees are about to enter some dark, dark days.Comment
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it's one of those offers you make because you know he'd reject it. Now they can show they still made an effort to keep him, and 5 million is still the top of the manager pay scale.Comment
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Then man up and say "thanks for everything you've done, but we are ready to move on." Not offer a contract that you think and hope that he'll turn down.Originally posted by Jay BilasThe question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConnComment
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I'm sure some of the guys in Tampa hoped he turned it down, but others wanted him to stay. This is the problem with the Yankees in 2007. They no longer have 1 guy in charge.Comment
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I keep reading this and it's not true.
General Managers usually don't make decisions on managers alone. So why would Cashman be left alone to make this final call?
The Yanks used to be a three-headed monster prior to 2006. Cashman is the man in charge when it comes to handling player transactions. This has been a constant since last season and it's fairly obvious."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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What are you talking about?
I keep reading this and it's not true.
General Managers usually don't make decisions on managers alone. So why would Cashman be left alone to make this final call?
Cashman is the man in charge when it comes to handling player transactions. This has been a constant since last season and it's fairly obvious.Comment
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Iglad. This gave Torre the oppurtunity to leave on his own terms. I would have said no too. He has been a great manager for this team, and the only one who whould be fired is Cashman. He has all this money to spend and doesn't know how to do it. See Jaret Wright. Didn't it seem weird when the Braves didn't even try to keep him? Shouldn't that be a hint?Comment
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You can't burn bridges like Steinbrenner did with Yogi for years. The Yanks will likely retire Torre's number 6 and they'd want him to be a part of it and feel welcomed.
Granted, the one year offer likely didn't help much but it's better than basically saying, "Stay home.""It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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I'm not a spoiled Yankee fan. I understand you aren't going to win every year. But for christs sake, you get contracts based on RECENT PERFORMANCE. And he got less money than he would have gotten offered because he hasn't done as well in the past couple years. Why is that so hard to understand?
It's absolutely comical that the Yankees are considered the bad ones here.
I have lived through Yankee losing and craziness so I know that this isn't a zoo yet, but after listening to the conference call and hearing Randy Levine go out of his way to explain the offer,it just screamed of covering their asses. It was a "we really really tried" kind of conference. If they didn't want him back, they should've just cut ties instead of offering this incentive contract and probably less control over his coaches (purely conjecture on my part). Bravo to Torre for actually turning them down. His resume as the Yankee manager stands on its own. There will be many teams lining up for him (hello Mets, Redsox, Cards!)
The only way this works out well for PR is if the Yankees give the job to Donnie Baseball or to a lesser degree Joe Girardi. Any other person will be a huge letdown.Formerly Favre4vrComment
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All corporations bring together a brain trust to hire a manager of this caliber. Why should this be any different for the Yankees when considering whether or not to hire Joe Torre?"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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What a crappy way for Torre to go out.
Yeah Yankees give Torre a contract offer that's insulting! They did this rather then outright fire the guy because they know if they do that everyone in NYC will go after them. Sadly, this lowball offer is far too transparent.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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Shocked he turned it down. He said he wanted to come back and I figured he was going to take any deal they offered.
I guess it's Mattingly or Girardi now.Patrick Mahomes > GodComment
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Not sure why everybody is so surprised over this. We knew Torre and the team were at odds at this point.
I don't think this will have a huge impact on the field, to be honest. They will still field a $200M roster in 2008 and beyond. Whomever the manager is doesn't affect that. Sure, the in game decisions and such will be different, but maybe whoever the new manager is will be an upgrade over Torre.
I just think it's dumb to start proclaiming "dark days are ahead for the Yanks!!"Comment
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