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  • EWRMETS
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    • Jul 2002
    • 7491

    #46
    Re: Torre in Tampa

    Originally posted by oakfan162
    agreed.
    Also, ESPNews has just been streaming the Michael Kay show for like an hour now. I'm used to hearing West Coast sports talk radio, its kinda cool to hear the Brooklyn accents and stuff. Lotta blowhards on both coasts though.
    Go to WFan.com and listen to Mike & The Mad Dog streaming live. Nobody in New York listens to Kay.

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    • CMH
      Making you famous
      • Oct 2002
      • 26203

      #47
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      It's obvious the Yanks didn't want Joe Torre around for too long. They also don't want to pay him 7 million a year for another 3 years.

      So, they offered him an incentive based deal for one season.

      I don't see the problem. I already knew the Yanks didn't like paying Torre so much and they don't want him to be guarenteed for a number of years at the high price.

      Offering him a contract is basically just a thank you note. They could have just not offered him a thing.
      "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

      "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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      • ComfortablyLomb
        MVP
        • Sep 2003
        • 3548

        #48
        Re: Torre in Tampa

        Originally posted by EWRMETS
        What do the Mets have to do with anything. The Yankees try to portray themselves as a classy organization, but the way they treated Torre is a disgrace. The reason why it took them so long to make a decision about Torre was because they don't have unified management. The Yankees are about to enter some dark, dark days.
        Don't worry, Mets fans have NOTHING to do with how much of a jerk move it was to offer Torre a one year pay cut. The post you quoted was pure deflection.

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        • bkfount
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          • Oct 2004
          • 8467

          #49
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          Originally posted by ComfortablyLomb
          Their final decision was to offer him a pay cut? Wow. Unbelievable.
          it's one of those offers you make because you know he'd reject it. Now they can show they still made an effort to keep him, and 5 million is still the top of the manager pay scale.

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          • NYJets
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jul 2002
            • 18637

            #50
            Re: Torre in Tampa

            Originally posted by YankeePride_YP

            Offering him a contract is basically just a thank you note. They could have just not offered him a thing.
            Then man up and say "thanks for everything you've done, but we are ready to move on." Not offer a contract that you think and hope that he'll turn down.
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            • EWRMETS
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              • Jul 2002
              • 7491

              #51
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              Originally posted by NYJets
              Then man up and say "thanks for everything you've done, but we are ready to move on." Not offer a contract that you think and hope that he'll turn down.
              I'm sure some of the guys in Tampa hoped he turned it down, but others wanted him to stay. This is the problem with the Yankees in 2007. They no longer have 1 guy in charge.

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              • CMH
                Making you famous
                • Oct 2002
                • 26203

                #52
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                Originally posted by EWRMETS
                I'm sure some of the guys in Tampa hoped he turned it down, but others wanted him to stay. This is the problem with the Yankees in 2007. They no longer have 1 guy in charge.
                What are you talking about?

                I keep reading this and it's not true.

                General Managers usually don't make decisions on managers alone. So why would Cashman be left alone to make this final call?

                The Yanks used to be a three-headed monster prior to 2006. Cashman is the man in charge when it comes to handling player transactions. This has been a constant since last season and it's fairly obvious.
                "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                • EWRMETS
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 7491

                  #53
                  Re: Torre in Tampa

                  Originally posted by YankeePride_YP
                  What are you talking about?

                  I keep reading this and it's not true.

                  General Managers usually don't make decisions on managers alone. So why would Cashman be left alone to make this final call?

                  Cashman is the man in charge when it comes to handling player transactions. This has been a constant since last season and it's fairly obvious.
                  Most teams have 1 owner who has the final say. The Yankees have an aging owner who no longer has the mental capabilities to run the team. Because of that, they have a bunch of guys without 1 person in charge.

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                  • DonkeyJote
                    All Star
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 9189

                    #54
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                    Iglad. This gave Torre the oppurtunity to leave on his own terms. I would have said no too. He has been a great manager for this team, and the only one who whould be fired is Cashman. He has all this money to spend and doesn't know how to do it. See Jaret Wright. Didn't it seem weird when the Braves didn't even try to keep him? Shouldn't that be a hint?

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                    • CMH
                      Making you famous
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 26203

                      #55
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                      Originally posted by NYJets
                      Then man up and say "thanks for everything you've done, but we are ready to move on." Not offer a contract that you think and hope that he'll turn down.
                      PR. And you gotta know that Cashman was one of the guys that wanted to bring Torre back for at least another season or two.

                      You can't burn bridges like Steinbrenner did with Yogi for years. The Yanks will likely retire Torre's number 6 and they'd want him to be a part of it and feel welcomed.

                      Granted, the one year offer likely didn't help much but it's better than basically saying, "Stay home."
                      "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                      "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                      • Gary Armida
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 2533

                        #56
                        Re: Torre in Tampa

                        Originally posted by EWRMETS
                        Pathetic job by the Yankees trying to give their best manager ever a 1 year contract with a salary cut.
                        Agree completely.

                        Originally posted by ryanm1058123
                        I'm not a spoiled Yankee fan. I understand you aren't going to win every year. But for christs sake, you get contracts based on RECENT PERFORMANCE. And he got less money than he would have gotten offered because he hasn't done as well in the past couple years. Why is that so hard to understand?

                        It's absolutely comical that the Yankees are considered the bad ones here.
                        The Yankees are the bad ones here b/c they hedged their bet, plain and simple. If you think he is a good manager for this season, offer him a 2 year deal. I don't think money was a huge factor, although I don't think anyone, manager, player, teacher, retail person would take a paycut to do the same job that was done quite well for 12 years.

                        I have lived through Yankee losing and craziness so I know that this isn't a zoo yet, but after listening to the conference call and hearing Randy Levine go out of his way to explain the offer,it just screamed of covering their asses. It was a "we really really tried" kind of conference. If they didn't want him back, they should've just cut ties instead of offering this incentive contract and probably less control over his coaches (purely conjecture on my part). Bravo to Torre for actually turning them down. His resume as the Yankee manager stands on its own. There will be many teams lining up for him (hello Mets, Redsox, Cards!)

                        The only way this works out well for PR is if the Yankees give the job to Donnie Baseball or to a lesser degree Joe Girardi. Any other person will be a huge letdown.
                        Formerly Favre4vr

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                        • CMH
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                          • Oct 2002
                          • 26203

                          #57
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                          Originally posted by EWRMETS
                          Most teams have 1 owner who has the final say. The Yankees have an aging owner who no longer has the mental capabilities to run the team. Because of that, they have a bunch of guys without 1 person in charge.
                          Steinbrenner no longer runs the team. His two sons do and one of the two handles all baseball while the other handles the stadium.

                          All corporations bring together a brain trust to hire a manager of this caliber. Why should this be any different for the Yankees when considering whether or not to hire Joe Torre?
                          "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                          "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                          • SPTO
                            binging
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 68046

                            #58
                            Re: Torre in Tampa

                            What a crappy way for Torre to go out.

                            Yeah Yankees give Torre a contract offer that's insulting! They did this rather then outright fire the guy because they know if they do that everyone in NYC will go after them. Sadly, this lowball offer is far too transparent.
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                            • MizzouBravesFan
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 2489

                              #59
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                              Shocked he turned it down. He said he wanted to come back and I figured he was going to take any deal they offered.

                              I guess it's Mattingly or Girardi now.
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                              • GBrushTWood
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 1624

                                #60
                                Re: Torre in Tampa

                                Not sure why everybody is so surprised over this. We knew Torre and the team were at odds at this point.

                                I don't think this will have a huge impact on the field, to be honest. They will still field a $200M roster in 2008 and beyond. Whomever the manager is doesn't affect that. Sure, the in game decisions and such will be different, but maybe whoever the new manager is will be an upgrade over Torre.

                                I just think it's dumb to start proclaiming "dark days are ahead for the Yanks!!"

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