Torre in Tampa

[ryanm1058123]

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Ok, kettle.

like I said, stop trolling and baiting. No need too as I did not start anything.

[bkrich83]

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like I said, stop trolling and baiting. No need too as I did not start anything.

Didn't troll or bait.

Nor did I. But if you are going to talk down to someone as if you know more than they do. Back things up. Don't cop out with the I don't have time to go in to detail stuff.

[BagMan]

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Forgive me for not knowing, but why is everyone so down on LaRussa?

[bkrich83]

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Forgive me for not knowing, but why is everyone so down on LaRussa?

I think the concern with LaRussa, and someone from New York correct me if I am wrong, is that he would meltdown under the media glare of New York.

[NYJets]

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Yea.

Didn't he also not really get along with his players that well? I remember something with Rolen, and then there was the stuff with Pujols in the ASG.

Plus, I think he's overrated as an in game manager and tries to micro manage the game too much.

[TarHeelMan]

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There is only one paper in town in St. Looie, and he has trouble dealing with that paper... Imagine him under the glare of New York, having to deal with sportswriters for the Daily News, New York Post, New York Times, Newsday, Newark Star-Ledger, as well as the two (well, one and a half) sports talk stations in town... He'd be pulling his hair out by the end of May. Actually, I hope he gets the job, because I'd love to hear him on Mike and the Mad Dog as they second guess his "genius"....

[Sandman42]

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I think the concern with LaRussa, and someone from New York correct me if I am wrong, is that he would meltdown under the media glare of New York.

There's that reason and I also don't think he is a very good manager. He overmanages the game so much, and if fans are complaining about how Torre uses the bullpen, it's worse with LaRussa.

[Skerik]

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I'm late to the party here, but it's amazing that with all Torre has done for the team, including 4 world championships and having the team in the playoffs all 12 years under his management, the team wouldn't let him retire or leave with any dignity and instead offered him a lowball, slap-in-the-face contract that was designed to be rejected. Nice way to repay him for all he's done - by publicly humiliating him.

The ripple effect among the Torre loyalists (Posada, Pettitte, Rivera, etc) is going to be very interesting. Even guys like Jeter, who are locked in long term, are sure to be unhappy with this move.

I would say I'm surprised by the whole thing, but I'm really not. Every time you think the Yankees couldn't be more unlikable, they manage to pull something like this out of their hats.

[Psyblast]

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Torre loyalists

It's so sad that I'm probably the only one that found this funny, being a big history buff.

[oakfan162]

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It's so sad that I'm probably the only one that found this funny, being a big history buff.

Sadly, I laughed a bit when I saw this too. I'm with you in the history nerd category too.

[DrJones]

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I'm late to the party here, but it's amazing that with all Torre has done for the team, including 4 world championships and having the team in the playoffs all 12 years under his management, the team wouldn't let him retire or leave with any dignity and instead offered him a lowball, slap-in-the-face contract that was designed to be rejected. Nice way to repay him for all he's done - by publicly humiliating him.

The ripple effect among the Torre loyalists (Posada, Pettitte, Rivera, etc) is going to be very interesting. Even guys like Jeter, who are locked in long term, are sure to be unhappy with this move.

I would say I'm surprised by the whole thing, but I'm really not. Every time you think the Yankees couldn't be more unlikable, they manage to pull something like this out of their hats.

I'm not saying I agree with how the Yankees handled this, but would you really characterize their offer as "lowball"? Even with the pay cut, Torre would still be making 40% more than the 2nd highest-paid manager in baseball.

[TarHeelMan]

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Nobody, regardless of their profession, is gonna be cool with a pay cut, even if they are already making more than other people in their profession. In the grand scheme of things, it's easy to say, "Well, he's making 7.5 mil, so he should be OK with 5 mil..."They knew what they were doing. There was no way Joe Torre was gonna accept a pay cut, especially knowing what he has on his resume.

[ehh]

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I can see both sides of the coin in this situation. As I've said a few times on here, I think baseball managers are vastly overvalued. Especially in the AL, the biggest responsibility is managing the pitching staff and Torre did not do a great job of that over the last four seasons. I know the staff wasn't as good as it was from '96-'03 but that doesn't excuse some questionable moves. I'm not happy to see Joe leave, but I'm not sad to see him go either. It's time to move on.

For everyone who's saying the Yankee fans won't realize how good they have it until they fail to make the post season next year; we'll see. This team (assuming no exodus) will be strong enough to beat up on the lower tier teams of the AL and make the playoffs again. Who in the AL is even close to lock in '08? Boston could lose Lowell, Schilling and Manny (trade him before his contract expires) plus try to unload Crisp and Drew. Who knows how Oritz will recover from knee surgery. The Angels are aging quite a bit and could easily fall off.

The pitching should be the best it's been since '03 and the offense will be powerful as usual. The real trick is keeping the starting rotation healthy and getting some ******* middle relief that isn't atrocious. Pitching, pitching, and more pitching. Joba is supposedly definitely in the rotation next year. That leaves us Mo (maybe) and who else? We can easily have the worst bullpen in baseball next year. What does it matter of Joe Torre is on the bench or Joe Schmoe if there is zero help in the pen?

Plus, why did we start off 21-29? Because the rotation was in shambles and Cano, Abreu and Melky were out partying to 4am and not producing. Once we got some starters back and those three starting hitting again the team was on a permanent roll. Did Torre tell those three to get their act together and stop partying til dawn? I hope so, but I hope every other manager would as well. Every player on that team will swear they wouldn't have come back from that deficit to make the playoffs without Torre. I'm not so sure I buy that. Torre is loyal as hell to his players, this could be reciprocation.

ESPN and other media outlets have said this is the biggest move of the Yankees off-season but I disagree. Keeping A-Rod, Mo and Posada and building a strong bullpen are the biggest moves.

[mgoblue]

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One amusing thing I just thought of is that the Yankees must be stunned. I don't think there is a more arrogant team in baseball, and they just got turned down. The Yankees are usually the pretty girl everyone fawns over, now they just got thrown into the mud by Torre.

[ryanm1058123]

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You would have a point if the Yankees actually wanted Torre back. They did not.