Torre in Tampa

[bkrich83]

Re: Torre in Tampa

Do you see how year after year he's run decent relievers into the ground?

He's overused guys, because frankly they have lacked bullpen depth. Yup he's for sure overused guys, but that's what happens when you don't have much to work with. Not to mention the starters don't go deep in to ball games often. Tough spot, have to use the bullpen often, but lack reliable arms.

[NYJets]

Re: Torre in Tampa

You never heard about Torre abusing relievers when he actually had more than 2 decent pitchers in the bullpen. When you want to make the playoffs, with a mediocre rotation and bullpen, you have to use your best guys a lot.

On paper, I don't think the Yankees have been a team you'd really expect to win a World Championship since 2003. I do give Torre some major blame for losing the 2003 world series, but I thought the 2004 wasn't very good, and it was only a matter of time before their lack of pitching caught up with them. 2005 and 2006 we lost to teams with much better pitching. Every team Torre has lost to in the playoffs has either won or gone to the world series, and that will probably continue this year.

Sure it's possible to win a world series even when you aren't that great, but I don't think he needs to go for not doing better than expected.

I don't think there's anything any manager could have done differently to win this year or last year. And I haven't seen the players become complacent at all, especially this year. They battled hard, Indians just played better.

[ryanm1058123]

Re: Torre in Tampa

There have been numerous times where he's put his big time relievers in big time blowout situations. In 2004, he used Tom Gordon in Game 3 when the Yankees were up 11 in the 8th inning I believe it was. That indirectly lost us the series as he blew in the following 2 games.

[Sandman42]

Re: Torre in Tampa

What manager has had a $200M team every year for the last 3 years and lost in the first round?

What manager has ever choked a 3-0 lead in a playoff series?

What manager has ever batted quite possibly the best player ever (or soon to be) 8th in an ALDS game?

Yeah, that's all Torre's fault. As Brandon said the playoffs are a crapshoot. If he takes you to 12 straight playoffs he is a good manager and deserves to be offered a multi-year contract.

[bkrich83]

Re: Torre in Tampa

There have been numerous times where he's put his big time relievers in big time blowout situations. In 2004, he used Tom Gordon in Game 3 when the Yankees were up 11 in the 8th inning I believe it was. That indirectly lost us the series as he blew in the following 2 games.

That's it? That's the big offense, that means he needs to go? And if Tom Gordon is considered a big time reliever, then it proves my point about bullpen depth even moreso.

[NYJets]

Re: Torre in Tampa

It's bound to happen eventually. Torre can't manage them forever. They have two guys waiting in the wings that can probably do as good a job. It's a new era in New York with the young arms they are bringing in. Time to move on.

We have no idea whether Mattingly can do as good of a job.

Girardi, I think he's high risk, high reward. On one hand, he did a great job in his year with the Marlins. On the other, you have to at least worry about him getting along with management. Plus I think he overworked his young starters and it led to 2 major injuries.

He is my pick though since Torre's gone, but I think Torre has done a good job and would rather stick with that until we have to make a change.

[ryanm1058123]

Re: Torre in Tampa

That's it? That's the big offense, that means he needs to go? And if Tom Gordon is considered a big time reliever, then it proves my point about bullpen depth even moreso.

If I had the time, I could sit here and go into playoff by playoff and tell you what Torre has done wrong. But I'm not going to do that.

This is a great day for Yankee baseball. Torre has been great for us in the past, but thats just that. The past. This team is built to win now, and with all the young pitching coming up, we could use a whole new staff. It couldn't hurt.

[ryanm1058123]

Re: Torre in Tampa

We have no idea whether Mattingly can do as good of a job.

Girardi, I think he's high risk, high reward. On one hand, he did a great job in his year with the Marlins. On the other, you have to at least worry about him getting along with management. Plus I think he overworked his young starters and it led to 2 major injuries.

He is my pick though since Torre's gone, but I think Torre has done a good job and would rather stick with that until we have to make a change.

Who did he overwork? Anibal Sanchez was a notorius injury risk even when he was with the Red Sox.

[bkrich83]

Re: Torre in Tampa

If I had the time, I could sit here and go into playoff by playoff and tell you what Torre has done wrong. But I'm not going to do that.

Yes, I am sure I could learn a lot from you. Much like football.

[ryanm1058123]

Re: Torre in Tampa

No need to troll and bait. It's not needed.

[mgoblue]

Re: Torre in Tampa

It is going to be hilarious next fall when the Yankees don't make the playoffs and everyone's bitching how they didn't give Torre enough money.

[SPTO]

Re: Torre in Tampa

I've heard Bobby Valentine's name as a wild card for next Yankees manager. That would be......Interesting.

[bkrich83]

Re: Torre in Tampa

I've heard Bobby Valentine's name as a wild card for next Yankees manager. That would be......Interesting.

Isn't he still in Japan? I thought he was real happy there? Can anyone imagine Bobby Valentine getting along with the Yankees FO?

[Sandman42]

Re: Torre in Tampa

If I had the time, I could sit here and go into playoff by playoff and tell you what Torre has done wrong. But I'm not going to do that.

This is a great day for Yankee baseball. Torre has been great for us in the past, but thats just that. The past. This team is built to win now, and with all the young pitching coming up, we could use a whole new staff. It couldn't hurt.

I don't see why you believe it is such a great day. Torre has proven to be a good manager and has gotten them to the postseason 12 years in a row. So why is there need for a change?

If you really think hiring a new manager will win this team a World Series then so be it. I don't think a new manager will make any difference, since the same players will be out there on the field. Then again, I feel that baseball managers are overrated and I feel that have little impact on how the team performs.

[bigfnjoe96]

Re: Torre in Tampa

Ever since Zimmer left Torre hasn't been the same manager. His in-game decisions sometimes were mind-boggling. As much as Joe did for this franchise he sometimes was very stubborn about his ways. His loyalty to players was gr-8, but sometimes got in his way of doing the right thing for the team..

The bottom line is Torre was being paid almost double to what the next manger closest to him in salary was getting & what did we get 3 straight ALDS loses. Yes the players play the game, but the ultimate decisions are made by the manager.

Case & point. Game 2 this years ALDS. Torre has historically gone to Mo for 2 inning saves almost 90% of time in the playoffs. So what does he do he sends Joba out there. Why? You see your players can't touch Carmona & it looks like 1 run is gonna be all your gonna get. Cleveland has the top of the order coming to the plate.

Also when Joba was having troubles with the BUGS, he doesn't even have Mo warming up, just in case something gos wrong. Even if your not gonna bring Mo in 2 least Cleveland see's him warming-up which could lead to them swing @ bad pitches because they know if Mo comes-in & the game is basically over. Then what kills me is Mo goes out & pitches 2 innings anyway. So why not the 8th & 9th...

This is just 1 example of Torre's bad managing