Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

[ehh]

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I really don't see this deal ever going through for the Yanks and thank god. I do not want Hughes and Cano leaving for Santana.

[Sandman42]

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There's no way that they would deal both Hughes and Cano for Santana. For the Twins to accept it would most likely be Hughes, Cabrera, and 2 more developing prospects like Tabata, Horne, or McCutchen.

I don't think Cashman will give in on trading Hughes and he'll try to trade Kennedy instead. Unfortunately I see Hank eventually overriding what Cashman says and including Hughes in the trade.

[GBrushTWood]

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I, like many Twins fans, will be very disappointed with any trade that involves Coco Crisp. I don't see why anyone would trade for this guy. How is he an improvement over what we already have? Yeah he has a good glove, but last time I checked, making spectacular catches in the field doesn't put runs on the scoreboard. It may take off a few runs from your opponents, but if you can't score, you're not going to win games anyways.

Right, because Coco Crisp is miles worse than Option B for the Twins:

Starting in Center Field....Delmon Young!

He's the only choice right now. There's nobody else on the Twins roster. So the Twins can be picky and only accept the greatest possible return (Ellsbury, not going to happen), or the Twins can face reality and get used to having either Melky Cabrera or Coco Crisp as their centerfielder for the next couple years.

Twins aren't going to sign Aaron Rowand or Andruw Jones, so I repeat, what exactly is the option if it isn't Crisp or Cabrera?

If I had to guess right now, here's how I see this playing out:
I'd say the Yankees will get Santana by including Hughes.
The Yankees aren't in the business of developing pitching talent. They never have, and never will be. They are all about putting the best possible team to win the World Series. If these two goals don't align perfectly, winning the World Series takes priority. Therefore, I see them doing whatever it takes to bring in Santana, and that means giving up Hughes. I can not see them explaining that they are committed to Hughes instead of throwing Johan Santana out there every 5 days.

I see it being Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera, Jose Tabata, and that Horne guy for Johan Santana. Then the Yankees will overpay one of Andruw Jones or Aaron Rowand to play CF. Probably Rowand.

The Red Sox will have done their job in pushing the Yankees to give up the most possible talent in this cold-war-esque sweepstakes. Ultimately, they're not going to give up either Buchholz or Ellsbury, because the need for Santana doesn't measure with the value of having both these guys cost controlled for the next 6 years or so.

[GBrushTWood]

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Aaaaand the other shoe drops:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/11/30/2007-11-30_yankees_decide_to_offer_phil_hughes_in_p-2.html

Yankees decide to offer Phil Hughes in package for Johan Santana

BY JOHN HARPER and BILL MADDEN
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS

Friday, November 30th 2007, 8:28 PM

After two days of internal discussions among front-office executives, the Yankees swallowed hard Friday and decided to offer Phil Hughes to the Twins as part of the trade package they hope will land them Johan Santana.

"We're going for it," was the way one club source put it.

IMO, that should do it. I don't see the Red Sox including Ellsbury or Clay Buchholz.

Yikes...I am going to be nauseous at the sight of Johan in pinstripes. Ugh. This is terrible. If nothing else, this proves how the Dodgers and Angels have literally zero nads whatsoever.

[CMH]

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Well, I hate to lose Hughes but I can't argue this. It's freaking Johan Santana. Anyone, with the exception of Alex Rodriguez, should have been available in a move for Santana.

[Chaos81]

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I am going to be nauseous at the sight of Johan in pinstripes.

So am I. But I'm happy in the fact that my Royals would possibly only see him at most 3 times, instead of 5 or 6.

[GBrushTWood]

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Well, I hate to lose Hughes but I can't argue this. It's freaking Johan Santana. Anyone, with the exception of Alex Rodriguez, should have been available in a move for Santana.

I don't disagree, but it is unfortunate. It is an extremely expensive risk to take, but it's not an issue for New York. It's not good that this is happening.

Going to cost approximately $150 million to sign and extend Johan. Then the Yankees need to get a centerfielder. That will cost another...I don't know at least $90 million, right? That's what Torii Hunter got. A lot of money being thrown around. Ugly situation.

[CMH]

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I don't disagree, but it is unfortunate. It is an extremely expensive risk to take, but it's not an issue for New York. It's not good that this is happening.

Going to cost approximately $150 million to sign and extend Johan. Then the Yankees need to get a centerfielder. That will cost another...I don't know at least $90 million, right? That's what Torii Hunter got. A lot of money being thrown around. Ugly situation.

Yanks probably figure that if they were willing to give Clemens 20+ million then they have to be willing to pay Santana just a bit less.

[nemesis04]

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Then the Yankees need to get a centerfielder. That will cost another...I don't know at least $90 million, right? That's what Torii Hunter got. A lot of money being thrown around. Ugly situation.

I am expecting to see Damon in center field for 08. I do not think they have to run out and get someone before the season starts.

[NYJets]

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Great.

Hughes, Melky, AND another top prospect. Overpaid for A-Rod even though we didn't need too, and now we're overpaying for Santana when we didn't need too.

[nemesis04]

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Great.

Hughes, Melky, AND another top prospect. Overpaid for A-Rod even though we didn't need too, and now we're overpaying for Santana when we didn't need too.

I was hoping for Kennedy to go instead of Hughes. I figured it would lead to this. As far as Melky, he is a good player but would have been eventually traded at some point.

[nyyanksfan20]

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I don't know why they panicked like they did. If they just waited this thing out they probably could have got by without including Hughes. From the looks of it this has Hank all over it.

[nemesis04]

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I don't know why they panicked like they did. If they just waited this thing out they probably could have got by without including Hughes. From the looks of it this has Hank all over it.

Red Sox are making Hank nervous. Red Sox are doing their job of making the Yanks unload talent.

[TheMatrix31]

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If you have the chance to get Johan freakin' Santana, you better be willing to give up damn near anyone. And by damn near, I mean anyone but Pujols and a select few other players.

Getting Santana for Hughes, Cabrera, and _______? Seriously now.

[boston_sports_rule]

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Sox did their job by making the Yanks give up Hughes. Now I think the Sox go after Haren with i think their only competition is the Mets (lost one chip in Milledge).