Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

[ckarlic]

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Maybe I'm wrong. They may really be done with Johan. Check this out. The Twins ACCEPTED this deal, but Cashman said no. I didnt know this.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...lions_and.html

I agree with Cash here. The payroll would have been outrageous. It looks like the Yanks are finally moving away from throwing cash around like it is unlimited. Good far Cash here i think

[Sandman42]

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Hence my tongue-in-cheek "and we all know how reliable they can be" comment.

Just pointing out that, while everyone seems to think the Yanks are going to get him, the Red Sox are the only team scheduled to meet with the Twins again.

The Red Sox aren't the only team. It looks like they are trying to pick negotiations back up with the Mets, Angels, and Dodgers.

http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-twins-reach-out-to-mets-and-others/

Looking it at makes me think that the Twins aren't really that happy with the Red Sox deal and are still trying to get something better.

[ckarlic]

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ROFL!!!! That post made my day, thank you. A Yankee fan complaining that people are against them, what a shocker! You guys keep on showing no mercy in Free Agency, and continue to not win championships.

Yeah and like the Sox are any different. They spend a crap load of money every year as well. Would be funny if the Sox dont even make it to the playoffs next year After all, the Sox are becoming what they hate..the Yankees.

[Sandman42]

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I agree with Cash here. The payroll would have been outrageous. It looks like the Yanks are finally moving away from throwing cash around like it is unlimited. Good far Cash here i think

Except they gave A-Rod around $300 million and Rivera and Posada a combined $100 million.

[ehh]

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All of those players were acquired in trades.

So was Roger Clemens, David Cone, David Justice, Cecil Fielder, Paul O'Neill, Chuck Knoblauch, Tino Martinez, etc but that didn't stop tons of Boston fans (and most other fans) from bitching endlessly during The Dynasty that the Yankees bought their titles.

[ckarlic]

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Except they gave A-Rod around $300 million and Rivera and Posada a combined $100 million.

True, but if the Santana deal goes through for the Sox, remember that Santana has a no trade clause and the Sox will have to negotiate an extension if they want him to waive. Its not just players its players and money. The last time I checked the Sox aren't hesitant to spend some cash as well. Look at last year when they paid $50million just to talk to Dice-K

[ckarlic]

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So was Roger Clemens, David Cone, David Justice, Cecil Fielder, Paul O'Neill, Chuck Knoblauch, Tino Martinez, etc but that didn't stop tons of Boston fans (and most other fans) from bitching endlessly during The Dynasty that the Yankees bought their titles.

Amen to that Ehh.

[Sandman42]

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<!-- displayed mode --> Amy Nelson: (10:42 AM ET ) Peter Gammons is here with me and he's hearing that Santana may not be traded now ...

[Beantown]

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

So was Roger Clemens, David Cone, David Justice, Cecil Fielder, Paul O'Neill, Chuck Knoblauch, Tino Martinez, etc but that didn't stop tons of Boston fans (and most other fans) from bitching endlessly during The Dynasty that the Yankees bought their titles.

Never said they weren't.

But all of those players listed, the Boston teams had to give up something in exchange and didn't "buy" them. Just figured I'd point that out.

[bergie56]

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We (any fans capable of a little analysis) don't want either deal. Hughes is great, but Melky + dung blows significant chunks.

The Boston "package" is better, but has a severe lack of a top flight player (a must have IMHO).

If it comes down to taking the Boston or NY deal or keeping Santana which would you do? This is starting to look a little bleak.

[snepp]

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Boston deal
Keep
New York deal

[ckarlic]

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If it comes down to taking the Boston or NY deal or keeping Santana which would you do? This is starting to look a little bleak.

I think the Twins f**ked themselves by not taking the Yankees deal. Im a little biased but if the Twins are to compete next year in the Central with the Tigers becoming powerful offensively by acquiring Cabrera, they should keep Santana this year. Makes no sense to take what the Sox have to offer IMO.

Go Yankees!!!!

[snepp]

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There's no completing in the Central next year regardless of what the Twins do.

[boston_sports_rule]

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I think the Twins f**ked themselves by not taking the Yankees deal. Im a little biased but if the Twins are to compete next year in the Central with the Tigers becoming powerful offensively by acquiring Cabrera, they should keep Santana this year. Makes no sense to take what the Sox have to offer IMO.

Go Yankees!!!!

The Twins were not even asking the Yankees for that much after Hughes and Cabrera. The other names were Marquez and Hilligoss. Cashman loves Hughes and did not even want to do the deal with Santana in the first place.

The way I look at it is that the Red Sox are bidding against themselves. The Twins are trying to bring the LA teams to the mix. If they are not happy with the offers they are getting they should just keep Santana and if they can't sign him they get 2 1st round picks next year.

[CMH]

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Boston couldn't be bidding against themselves when they refuse to include their two top prospects.

If anything, Boston is being smart here and realizing that there are no other players.

There's a reason why Minnesota is now trying to get other teams involved. It's the only way they can pry more talent from Boston.