Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

[Porschebenz2001]

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Lol how in the world is Yankees pitching outright better? Hughes is slightly overrated he's made out to be the next Roger Clemens. Joba has proven he was decent last year. But I mean Lester isn't too bad for a 3rd guy in the rotation and Clay Bucholz is just as good as Hughes if not better.

How is Hughes overrated? He has pitched half a season. Bucholoz has only made 4 starts. I know he threw a no hitter, but it's still early in their careers to make a clear assessment. Joba proved he was much more than a decent reliever last year. When it comes to being a starter, he has not proven anything yet. In the minors yes, but not in the majors.

[wang_chi7]

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I can count on 1 hand how Gammons has been right over the past couple years and I'd have a few fingers left over.

So all the writers awards he's won over the years are a sham? Gammons is one of the best reporters in all of sports, just because he's with the crap network that is ESPN doesn't mean he's a bad source. Gammons breaks news on many trades/signings well in advance of them being official. He's well trusted throughout the industry by other writers (who use him as a source) and by front offices. There's a reason he's ahead of the game in breaking news, he's trusted and teams don't feel he'll report bogus news.

Please elaborate on things he's been way off on.

[ryanm1058123]

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There are too many he's been wrong on to list them. The reason why he won the awards is because of his work before ESPN because he's a shell of his former self. If you read his stuff before ESPN, he was great.

Sadly ESPN has crippled the man and he is wrong most of the time. Ken Rosenthal has passed him and lapped him in terms of reporting trades first and it's really not even close.

[Kashanova]

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So all the writers awards he's won over the years are a sham? Gammons is one of the best reporters in all of sports, just because he's with the crap network that is ESPN doesn't mean he's a bad source. Gammons breaks news on many trades/signings well in advance of them being official. He's well trusted throughout the industry by other writers (who use him as a source) and by front offices. There's a reason he's ahead of the game in breaking news, he's trusted and teams don't feel he'll report bogus news.

Please elaborate on things he's been way off on.

gammons is a bosox fan boy everyone knows that

[CMH]

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There's a difference between reporting the latest trade and talking about a trade that hasn't happened.

Everyone is good at reporting the latest trade. Gammons is good at it because of his relationship with baseball GMs and Execs.

That doesn't mean he's good at reporting rumors.

[Mr.Burns]

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(My *insert diety of choice* I feel like a d-bag arguing over Melky ****ing Cabrera, what a waste of time.)

I could see him becoming a better version of your past RF, Jacque Jones, so I don't understand the bitching? The Twins are full of players like Melky Cabrera, so what's there to get up in arms about? I find that ironic and hilarious at the same time. Now if you was a Yankees fan, maybe then you would have a point. 'Cause we all know the Twins are stacked with stars. God forbid if Melky Cabrera joins the team.

[Mr.Burns]

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There's a difference between reporting the latest trade and talking about a trade that hasn't happened.

Everyone is good at reporting the latest trade. Gammons is good at it because of his relationship with baseball GMs and Execs.

That doesn't mean he's good at reporting rumors.

Peter Gammons is the worst. But there really isn't one guy that stands out from the rest.

[CWood2]

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Peter Gammons is the worst. But there really isn't one guy that stands out from the rest.

Earmuffs.

[Mr.Burns]

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Earmuffs.

Good one.

[snepp]

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I could see him becoming a better version of your past RF, Jacque Jones, so I don't understand the bitching? The Twins are full of players like Melky Cabrera, so what's there to get up in arms about? I find that ironic and hilarious at the same time. Now if you was a Yankees fan, maybe then you would have a point. 'Cause we all know the Twins are stacked with stars.

I think you have me confused with Yankees homers who can't realize a player's shortcomings and that not every player who dons the uniform is an All-Star. You'll be hard pressed to find many on this board who are more critical of their team of choice than I am.

We already have too many piss-poor hitters with few or no redeeming qualities, we don't need any more. You're right, Melky would fit right in, surrounded by a bunch of other guys that can't hit diddly poo.

Also, Jacque hit righty pitching incredibly well (with considerable power) and couldn't hit lefties to save his life. He also had a noodle arm. Not a very good comp I don't think.

Alex Ochoa would be a much better comp I think.

[Mr.Burns]

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We already have too many piss-poor hitters with few or no redeeming qualities, we don't need any more. You're right, Melky would fit right in, surrounded by a bunch of other guys that can't hit diddly poo.

Get ready for the Jack of all trades! Melky F--- Cabrera! You don't have to be a homer to realize Melky is not a piss-poor hitter, you're sadly mistaken.

Alex Ochoa would be a much better comp I think.

And here I thought you were an objective observer. I think I'll stick with Jacque Jones.

[snepp]

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You missed my smilie, don't be so quick to reply next time.


(Ochoa's AVG/OBP/SLG + strong arm does make for a more reasonable comp than Jacque does though)

[Mr.Burns]

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You missed my smilie, don't be so quick to reply next time.


(Ochoa's AVG/OBP/SLG + strong arm does make for a more reasonable comp than Jacque does though)

So was that a joke or no?

Just admit it already, you don't care for Melky Cabrera and hearing anything contrary to your opinion of him won't change your mind either way...even if it seems like you're wrong in your assessment. It's ok to say F- the Yanks and F- Melky, I will understand that better.

[snepp]

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Yes, it was a joke. I tried to think of a past Twins outfielder that compared to Melky, and Ochoa with his arm was the first that came to mind. It was just a coincidence that his peripherals at the plate ended up being pretty similar.

Wrong that he's going to end up as nothing more than an average centerfielder? Possibly, though I won't be the only one. My opinion would be considerably easier to change if there were some tangible evidence, it's tough to put stock in "well he could be" or "well that guy did it". No I don't care for Melky, primarily because the Twins have enough Melky's already.

(and secondarily because I'm sick of hearing all of the overblown "Melky is such a great player" rubbish)

(and thirdly, **** Melky and **** the Yankees)

(and fourthly, send Hughes this way and all will be forgiven)

[Briman123]

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How is Hughes overrated? He has pitched half a season. Bucholoz has only made 4 starts. I know he threw a no hitter, but it's still early in their careers to make a clear assessment. Joba proved he was much more than a decent reliever last year. When it comes to being a starter, he has not proven anything yet. In the minors yes, but not in the majors.

I just don't see him as the next Roger Clemens as some people proclaim, I think overrated fits because he has good stuff to be a #1 in the rotation, not in the league...

lol. peter gammons is that you?

yeah a 0.28 ERA = decent, right?


Hughes has been rated better than Buchholz just about everywhere other than probably Jim Callis (I wonder why)

Alot of hate for Gammons, personally think he is one of the few guys on ESPN who aren't full of crap.

Yeah that is decent, next year he won't do that, once the league sees you 2nd time around your numbers change, Papelbon had that happen but he's great enough of a pitcher and adjusted very well.

Yeah and some people Ryan Leaf was suppose to be better then Peyton Manning. Not saying this will happen to Hughes. I just think Hughes has the advantage because he was more sought out after in High School and didn't need to go to college to get a good draft position. I think that gave Hughes the advantage. I think in terms of stuff these guys are equal.

The real advantage we have over Yankees deal was throwing in IF Jed Lowrie.