Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

[Misfit]

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Yet another defensive examination that has Jeter as a lousy defensive SS: http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10647918

At some point you might think the Yankees would bow to what some might say is an overwhelming consensus that A-Rod should be at short and Jeter should be third or in left field.

I didn't know there were still people who argued he was a good defensive shortstop. The only complement I can give Jeter's defense is that he usually makes the play when he gets to the ball, he just doesn't get to the ball nearly as often as one would like. Though I don't see anything in his game or Arod's to know the Yankees would be better with a position swap. Arod looks slower and clumsier in the field than he was when he was at short. I don't think he has the quickness to play the position at a high level. Jeter is perfect for second, in my opinion, but they have Cano and even though he's no maestro with the glove, at least he's young and could improve.

[dkgojackets]

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I didn't know there were still people who argued he was a good defensive shortstop.

Me neither. I knew most people were stupid, but the extent of it is overwhelming.

[ComfortablyLomb]

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Me neither. I knew most people were stupid, but the extent of it is overwhelming.

Yankee fans remain convinced he's not as bad in the field as people say.

[ZB9]

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Jeter is not a "poor" defensive shortstop...average maybe, but certainly not "poor"

[dkgojackets]

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Jeter is not a "poor" defensive shortstop...average maybe, but certainly not "poor"

He is "poor" defensively relative to all shortstops in Major League Baseball.

I guess you could make the argument though that he is "average" relative to all shortstops above the high school level.

[snepp]

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Is he poor. There is little that indicates otherwise, other than BSPN's continual jerkoff to all things Jeter.

[ComfortablyLomb]

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Jeter is not a "poor" defensive shortstop...average maybe, but certainly not "poor"

See! See!

[fugazi]

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i think, though, that you trade defense for the plate production...there are not, nor has there been, very many good 2way SSs....

[dkgojackets]

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No one here is saying Jeter is a bad player. His offense is second only to Hanley from the shortstop position. You definitely sacrifice his defensive shortcomings for what he can do at the plate.

[Saber]

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No one here is saying Jeter is a bad player. His offense is second only to Hanley from the shortstop position. You definitely sacrifice his defensive shortcomings for what he can do at the plate.

Which is true of nearly the entire Yanks roster.

[Misfit]

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No one here is saying Jeter is a bad player. His offense is second only to Hanley from the shortstop position. You definitely sacrifice his defensive shortcomings for what he can do at the plate.

Which is why I would say it doesn't hurt the Yankees to have him out there. However, if Jeter had the offensive production of someone like Jack Wilson or Yuniesky Betancourt he wouldn't be starting for anyone in the majors.

[dkgojackets]

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Which is true of nearly the entire Yanks roster.

Cano is really good.

But hey, it works.

[CWood2]

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Jeter is not good defensively, period.

http://www.fieldingbible.com/

Read the Jeter vs. Everett article. Read the plus/minus rankings and how these statistics are formulated from every single ball in play. There are no better defensive stats out there worth trusting.

When you're done reading, ignorance is no longer acceptable.

[yvesdereuter]

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Jeter is not good defensively, period.

http://www.fieldingbible.com/

Read the Jeter vs. Everett article. Read the plus/minus rankings and how these statistics are formulated from every single ball in play. There are no better defensive stats out there worth trusting.

When you're done reading, ignorance is no longer acceptable.

If theres such an objective measurement criteria, why is a vote for this award required?

[CWood2]

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If theres such an objective measurement criteria, why is a vote for this award required?

The gold glove's a popularity contest. Palmeiro won it at first years back after DH'ing virtually the entire season. These measurements will take time to gain acceptance. For years and years, RBIs were a more accepted production stat than OPS, but that's slowly changing. The same will happen as fielding is judged more skillfully ... not on faulty reputations or a flair for the offbalance jump throw from shallow left that would have been a simple backhand flip for a SS with a good first step. :wink: