Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

[snepp]

Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

He is a relatively poor defensive shortstop, and has been for the majority of his career. He ranks so highly at his position because he hits so much better than the majority of the shortstops in the league. It's not a terribly difficult concept to comprehend.

[dkgojackets]

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And just to further show how completely wrong you've been.

The Yankees last World Series was 2000. They were 16th in team ERA. Surely that mediocre pitching was what got them the rings, wasn't it?

I've come to realize that the people who dislike stats the most are the ones who look stupidest in the face of them.

[dkgojackets]

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He is a relatively poor defensive shortstop, and has been for the majority of his career. He ranks so highly at his position because he hits so much better than the majority of the shortstops in the league. It's not a terribly difficult concept to comprehend.

Right now he hits better than all but one, to be exact.

[ZB9]

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If I had a team that scored 100 more runs more than any other team in the league, I could win with Hanley Ramirez as shortstop. Or Derek Jeter.

having such a great offense is certainly a bonus

but keeping the other teams' score down is the key to outscoring the other team when it comes to the playoffs where your usually going against nothing but aces. "Good pitching trumps good hitting"

Ask any Yankees fan here if they've have great pitching the past couple seasons. They'll say no. Yet somehow they've still managed to win and make the playoffs. I guess they just don't know their own team.

i guess that's why they havent been able to get back to the world series. I might be too old school, but you cant win when it counts without pitching and D imo.

i dont remember the specific stats from the years they won those 4 world series, but i remember them having a very solid defense, starting pitching, and bullpen. I imagine that is the main difference between their World Series teams and their dissapointing teams of the past few seasons

[ZB9]

Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

He is a relatively poor defensive shortstop, and has been for the majority of his career. He ranks so highly at his position because he hits so much better than the majority of the shortstops in the league. It's not a terribly difficult concept to comprehend.

if that is the case, id trade him while his value is high.

if he is truly a "relatively poor" defensive shortstop, then Jeter is overrated.

[dkgojackets]

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i dont remember the specific stats from the years they won those 4 world series, but i remember them having a very solid defense, starting pitching, and bullpen.

Like their 16th overall team ERA in 2000, the last time they won?

[snepp]

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because i actually played the game

you?

Sounds like the typical progression of any discussion you involve yourself in. Don't involve yourself with anything factual, start going after the posters instead.

btw, did i get the 4 world series championships right? did i get that stat right? You think they were a bad defensive team in those years?

Those World Series teams played pretty sound defense, and it certainly isn't a stretch to say that they played better defensively than their more recent teams. The biggest difference between those teams and the ones that have been coming up short, is pitching. IMHO.

[Brandon13]

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And just to further show how completely wrong you've been.

The Yankees last World Series was 2000. They were 16th in team ERA. Surely that mediocre pitching was what got them the rings, wasn't it?

I've come to realize that the people who dislike stats the most are the ones who look stupidest in the face of them.

and even though it's not a very good indicator of how good the defense was, they were tied for 12th in baseball that year in errors committed.

[snepp]

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if he is truly a "relatively poor" defensive shortstop, then Jeter is overrated.

Defensively yes, he has been highly overrated his entire career.

[ZB9]

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Sounds like the typical progression of any discussion you involve yourself in. Don't involve yourself with anything factual, start going after the posters instead.

yes, i was wrong about the team ERA rankings

it wasnt the first time ive been wrong, and it certainly wont be the last

Those World Series teams played pretty sound defense, and it certainly isn't a stretch to say that they played better defensively than their more recent teams. The biggest difference between those teams and the ones that have been coming up short, is pitching. IMHO.

i agree

That is usually the difference when it comes to contending for a world series. I doubt many poor defensive teams have won the world series, especially in the past generation.

[Psyblast]

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and you cannot win with a "poor" defensive shortstop.

The Tigers went to the World Series in 2006 with Carlos Guillen at SS. Guillen's a butcher in the field, so much so he's been moved to 1st base for this upcoming season.

[dkgojackets]

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I doubt many poor defensive teams have won the world series, especially in the past generation.

Boston 04. To use some stats you people understand, even though they are less important, that team was 21st in fielding percentage, had the 6th most errors, 4th fewest double plays, and gave up the most stolen bases.

[Brandon13]

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The Tigers went to the World Series in 2006 with Carlos Guillen at SS. Guillen's a butcher in the field, so much so he's been moved to 1st base for this upcoming season.

But funny enough errors, albeit from the pitchers not Guillen, were a major reason why the Tigers didn't do better in the World Series that year.

[ZB9]

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The Tigers went to the World Series in 2006 with Carlos Guillen at SS. Guillen's a butcher in the field, so much so he's been moved to 1st base for this upcoming season.

lol that HAD to be an anomaly

they should be MUCH better with Guillen at 1st.

[ComfortablyLomb]

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Yet another defensive examination that has Jeter as a lousy defensive SS: http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10647918

At some point you might think the Yankees would bow to what some might say is an overwhelming consensus that A-Rod should be at short and Jeter should be third or in left field.