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  • ZB9
    Hall Of Fame
    • Nov 2004
    • 18387

    #136
    Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

    Originally posted by dkgojackets
    Seriously, that's one thing every single metric I've looked at agrees on. Jeter was terrible for ten years before putting together decent seasons in 05 and 06. Then last year he was well below average again.

    Hurray new york media.
    he is not the best defensive shortstop in the league, but to say that he is a "poor" defender is asinine

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    • Brandon13
      All Star
      • Oct 2005
      • 8915

      #137
      Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

      Originally posted by ZB9
      he is not the best defensive shortstop in the league, but to say that he is a "poor" defender is asinine
      Not really. His range to his left is terrible.

      There are plenty of Yankees fans that say he's a poor defender.

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      • dkgojackets
        Banned
        • Mar 2005
        • 13816

        #138
        Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

        Originally posted by ZB9
        he is not the best defensive shortstop in the league, but to say that he is a "poor" defender is asinine
        You're right.

        "terrible", "awful", "worthless", "garbage", "pathetic", "unbelievably bad", and "horrific" would all be better adjective choices. I doubt there is a shortstop in the league with less range than Jeter.

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        • ZB9
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          • Nov 2004
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          #139
          Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

          Originally posted by Brandon13
          Not really. His range to his left is terrible.

          There are plenty of Yankees fans that say he's a poor defender.
          i have must have been watching something different

          the Yankees would not be such a winning team if they had a "poor defending" shortstop, especially with as many contact, groundball pitchers as they've had.

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          • ZB9
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            • Nov 2004
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            #140
            Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

            Originally posted by dkgojackets
            You're right.

            "terrible", "awful", "worthless", "garbage", "pathetic", "unbelievably bad", and "horrific" would all be better adjective choices. I doubt there is a shortstop in the league with less range than Jeter.
            then why did you rank him at #2 on your list? Defending is the most important thing a shortstop does.

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            • dkgojackets
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              • Mar 2005
              • 13816

              #141
              Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

              Originally posted by ZB9
              i have must have been watching something different

              the Yankees would not be such a winning team if they had a "poor defending" shortstop, especially with as many contact, groundball pitchers as they've had.
              Really? I thought it had something to do with scoring more runs than any team in baseball over the past 6 years.

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              • ZB9
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                • Nov 2004
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                #142
                Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                Originally posted by dkgojackets
                Really? I thought it had something to do with scoring more runs than any team in baseball over the past 6 years.
                you do not win without pitching and defense.

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                • dkgojackets
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 13816

                  #143
                  Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                  Originally posted by ZB9
                  then why did you rank him at #2 on your list? Defending is the most important thing a shortstop does.
                  Because terrible defense doesn't cost a team as many runs as great offense, and he has great offense.

                  You say defense is the most important thing a SS does, but I would rather have a guy contribute 60 runs of value on offense and give up 15 or so on defense (which is really bad), then a SS contributing 30 runs on offense and saving 10 on defense. I'm looking for overall value.

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                  • dkgojackets
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 13816

                    #144
                    Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                    Originally posted by ZB9
                    you do not win without pitching and defense.
                    Since when have the Yankees had pitching?

                    Over the last two seasons the Yankees have scored 141 more runs than any other team. That's a good way to win games.

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                    • ZB9
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                      • Nov 2004
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                      #145
                      Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                      Originally posted by dkgojackets
                      Since when have the Yankees had pitching?
                      What? Did you just start watching MLB last season?

                      The Yankees have had good offenses, but the key to their most successful seasons in the latest era have been pitching and defense.

                      Over the last two seasons the Yankees have scored 141 more runs than any other team. That's a good way to win games.
                      lol that's the Texas Rangers philosophy. They have tried to win with offense, and trust me it doesnt work.

                      In fact, before the most seasons even start, the Rangers should know they have no chance to contend. They sell a lot of tickets though.

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                      • dkgojackets
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                        • Mar 2005
                        • 13816

                        #146
                        Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                        Texas has scored more runs than the Yankees once in the past 8 years. Recently it hasn't even been close. I don't see why you want to compare the two.

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                        • dkgojackets
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 13816

                          #147
                          Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                          Yankees AL ERA ranks.

                          2007: 8th
                          2006: 7th
                          2005: 9th
                          2004: 6th

                          Yankees AL runs scored ranks.

                          2007: 1st
                          2006: 1st
                          2005: 2nd
                          2004: 2nd

                          Made the playoffs each year.

                          They aren't doing it with pitching and defense. They are doing it by scoring a bunch of runs.

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                          • ZB9
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Nov 2004
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                            #148
                            Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                            Originally posted by dkgojackets
                            Texas has scored more runs than the Yankees once in the past 8 years. Recently it hasn't even been close.
                            Texas has had one of the top offenses in the league quite a few times over the past decade

                            Most years, Texas's season is over before the season even starts because they load their team up with offense and dont have pitching and defense.

                            I don't see why you want to compare the two.
                            lol where did i compare the two?

                            they arent similar. NY hasnt been one dimensional, Texas has.
                            Last edited by ZB9; 02-12-2008, 05:48 PM.

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                            • dkgojackets
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                              • Mar 2005
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                              #149
                              Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                              Originally posted by ZB9
                              Texas has had one of the top offenses in the league quite a few times over the past decade
                              And as I said earlier, it was better than the Yankees once.


                              lol where did i compare the two?
                              When I said the yankees score a bunch of runs, and you said that's the rangers philosophy. That means they have the same philosophy. That's a comparison.

                              they arent similar. NY hasnt been one dimensional, Texas has.
                              Are you looking at any of the numbers? The Yankees have been winning by outscoring everyone, plain and simple.

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                              • ryanm1058123
                                Banned
                                • Jan 2004
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                                #150
                                Re: Top 10 shortstops in MLB?

                                problem with the rangers offense is they have a bunch of overrated hitters (blalock, micheal young) and even for a couple years tex was kind of overrated. i don't think it was ever that close if you ballpark adjust it all.

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