Name players that you think were clean during the steroid era

[N51_rob]

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Again, not in defense of Thome at all but....Looking at his forearm, and thighs they've always looked pretty big. Not huge mind you, but that of a guy that works out. I think the area on him that has seen the largest growth is in his midsection. Also those uniforms are tighter than what players wear today.

[wwharton]

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1. Sammy Sosa Denied using Steroids in 2005. Yet there is no Sammy Sosa Perjury Case is there?

2. Like I said right after it happened. They Checked many of his prior bats and none of them had any Cork in them.

3. I'm sticking to my point. He could easy word something wrong

4. Yeah It's natural for numbers to drop as you get old. Hank Aaron went from 40 HRs to 20 HRs in one year as he got older. It's Natural.
It has happen to all the big Home Run Hitters

Guess the charade is over

Debating Skills? who's debating. i'm posting facts.

and you may want to update your fact sheet

[Moojenowski]

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Sweet baby jesus Joe Mauer doesn't use juice...

he uses delicious Land 'O Lakes Milk. :wink:

I always had a feeling that Sosa was juicing, just goes to show you that no one is safe when it comes to the finger pointing in the steroid era... hopefully for Ibanez's sake, we don't find out he's been juicing, that would be the Palmiero moment of 2009.

[bullpen]

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Pretty sure Tim Wakefield didn't juice....

[wwharton]

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Sweet baby jesus Joe Mauer doesn't use juice...

he uses delicious Land 'O Lakes Milk. :wink:

I always had a feeling that Sosa was juicing, just goes to show you that no one is safe when it comes to the finger pointing in the steroid era... hopefully for Ibanez's sake, we don't find out he's been juicing, that would be the Palmiero moment of 2009.

I think the above poster is the only one who didn't have a thought that Sosa was juicing. And even if Ibanez turns out to be another on the long list, Sosa still has the "Palmiero moment" for 2009. The evidence came out just days after he stated he'd be waiting for his HOF induction AND he lied to congress.

[Vince]

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Thome just looks fat

[ckarlic]

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People who I think never used:

Griffey
Helton
Jeter
Mo Rivera
Jorge Posada
Maddux
Glavine
Smoltz
Pedroia
Raul Ibanez

The one name that I think is on the list is David Ortiz.

[ZB9]

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Oil Can Boyd

[JBH3]

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Guess the charade is over



and you may want to update your fact sheet

Nice.

[UberA13c]

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We will never fully know. It never really surprises when people are listed. I mean if someone came to you and told you could gain some more speed, strength, and most important lasting energy by taking a pill or injection .... and that there is no testing at all and everyone else is doing it. Thats hard to turn down, extremely. It's still baseballs fault, but it did revive it ha. 1998...... Bud Selig fails. If you ain't cheating, you aint trying.

I do hope Griffey is clean though, if not he still is one of the greatest.

[B_rad13]

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Players I don't think who are on anything:
Joe Mauer
Justin Morneau
Ichiro
Ken Griffey Jr.
Cal Ripken
Tony Gwyn
Barry Larkin
Mariano Rivera

Players I think that have done something:

Albert Pujols
Milton Bradley
David Ortiz
Josh Beckett
Alfonso Soriano
Frank Thomas
Jim Thome

[Cebby]

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Players I think that have done something:

Frank Thomas

The guy who has been advocating for steroid testing since the mid 90s, was the only active player who agreed to be interviewed in the Mitchell report, and showed absolutely no career trends of steroid use used steroids?

The only reason to suspect him of steroids is that he's big. Most players who played tight end for Auburn during a streak of 4 top 10 finishes were big.

The man shows no statistical signs of steroids. His first 3 full years in the majors, he hit 97 homers. His best 3 year stretch in his career was 119 over the next 2 years and the last year of his first 3 (ages 25-27).

Bond's first three years he hit 68 and went up to 168 at ages 35-37 (and he had 310 more at bats over the first 3 years). Sosa went from 61 his first 3 full years to 179 at ages 29-31. McGuire went from 114 to 193 (ages 33-35).

The only way Frank Thomas was juicing was if he came into the league juicing.

[BunnyHardaway]

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^This...I'd be absolutely shocked if he did use.

I'm keeping my list to guys who played in the "prime" of the steroid era (mid 90's)

Guys who I'm 100% confident have never used

Frank Thomas
Cal Ripken, Jr.
Craig Biggio
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Barry Larkin
Carlos Delgado
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Jim Thome
Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
Tony Gwynn
Pedro Martinez

Guys who I think probably/might have used

Brady Anderson
Jeff Bagwell
Larry Walker
Todd Helton
Andres Gallarraga
Juan Gonzalez
Pudge Rodriguez
Vinny Castilla

[SportsTop]

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^This...I'd be absolutely shocked if he did use.

I'm keeping my list to guys who played in the "prime" of the steroid era (mid 90's)

Guys who I'm 100% confident have never used

Frank Thomas
Cal Ripken, Jr.
Craig Biggio
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Barry Larkin
Carlos Delgado
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Jim Thome
Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
Tony Gwynn
Pedro Martinez

Guys who I think probably/might have used

Brady Anderson
Jeff Bagwell
Larry Walker
Todd Helton
Andres Gallarraga
Juan Gonzalez
Pudge Rodriguez
Vinny Castilla

As of right now I could never, in good faith, keep anyone from the Dominican Republic off of the "think they were clean" list.

1. It was too readily available.

2. It now seems to have been pushed on talented players by trainers with the prospect of making it to the majors and escaping poverty in the DR.

3. Tejada, Manny Ramirez, Sosa, Jose Guillen, Guillermo Mota, and countless others.

Vladimir Guerrero and Albert Pujols will never be on a list of players I would ever consider to be clean.

[BatsareBugs]

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No Chipper Jones on your list?

What years would qualify for the steroid era? Would players like Ron Gant and Ray Lankford qualify?