ALFONSO SORIANO: Is He The Most Complete Player in MLB?

**paulywerner** · 04-19-2003, 01:53 PM

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I am pretty sure Arod came up as a SS. Remember he hit the majors at age 18 intitially. So I don't think there was a lot of time to change his position.

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Im trying to find minor league fielding info on him right now... also, looking for SS stats for sori in the minors

**SPTO** · 04-19-2003, 01:56 PM

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I don't think Nomar or Tejada will go to the HOF at the end of their careers. They haven't done anything that's been too mind boggling. They've been pretty consistent over the years tho but that just makes them very durable solid players not HOF material.

Jeter will go in due to the NY factor and his playoff accomplishments. He won't be a first ballot guy tho, would probably take him 3-5 yrs.

A-Rod is a lock for the HOF at this rate.

**SPTO** · 04-19-2003, 01:56 PM

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I don't think Nomar or Tejada will go to the HOF at the end of their careers. They haven't done anything that's been too mind boggling. They've been pretty consistent over the years tho but that just makes them very durable solid players not HOF material.

Jeter will go in due to the NY factor and his playoff accomplishments. He won't be a first ballot guy tho, would probably take him 3-5 yrs.

A-Rod is a lock for the HOF at this rate.

**bkrich83** · 04-19-2003, 01:57 PM

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Damn, if I knew it was gonna go this long, we could have just started up a chat session.

I am outta here boys, the sun is out, and the beach is calling my name. Be back later tonight.

**bkrich83** · 04-19-2003, 01:57 PM

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Damn, if I knew it was gonna go this long, we could have just started up a chat session.

I am outta here boys, the sun is out, and the beach is calling my name. Be back later tonight.

**MVPlaya** · 04-19-2003, 01:57 PM

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Ernie Banks is one of the best SS's of all time...no doubt. But you have never seen him play. A-rod did put up better numbers, alot better.

If this arguement is about who's better, its a-rod of course.

If this is who revolutionized it more, I believe its A-Rod.

From 1955-1960, was when Banks was in his prime and belted 40 + homers and 100+ RBI's. He was injured one season tho so he only played 130 games.

From there after, he started to fall in the Offensive categories. He never batted for a great avg, only 2 seasons he batted over 300. He always batted under 300.

**MVPlaya** · 04-19-2003, 01:57 PM

Re: ALFONSO SORIANO: Is He The Most Complete Player in MLB?

Ernie Banks is one of the best SS's of all time...no doubt. But you have never seen him play. A-rod did put up better numbers, alot better.

If this arguement is about who's better, its a-rod of course.

If this is who revolutionized it more, I believe its A-Rod.

From 1955-1960, was when Banks was in his prime and belted 40 + homers and 100+ RBI's. He was injured one season tho so he only played 130 games.

From there after, he started to fall in the Offensive categories. He never batted for a great avg, only 2 seasons he batted over 300. He always batted under 300.

**paulywerner** · 04-19-2003, 01:58 PM

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I don't know. Has Jeter, Nomar or Tejada even come close to putting up Arod's numbers? I know Jeter hasnt put up great numbers but his WS wins and post season contributions should help him. But I don't know about Nomar or Tejada.

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Nomar is a better hitter in Fenway then anywhere else.... he has Todd Helton disease(not to take anything away from todd, hes a great ball player, but i think Ozzie Smith would have hit 20 homers a season hitting in Coors)... Tejada just looks so solid and clutch. Jeter is Mr. November yes, that might help his chances for the hall, but he is one of the most consistant players around... just missed .300 last season, would have made it 7 straight if im not mistaken... he can hit for power, but chooses to use the entire field instead... 1999 he hit 24 homers, and 100+ RBI's in the #1, and #2 spot in the lineup.... and nobody does the charge and throw on slow grounders at SS better than him.

**paulywerner** · 04-19-2003, 01:58 PM

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I don't know. Has Jeter, Nomar or Tejada even come close to putting up Arod's numbers? I know Jeter hasnt put up great numbers but his WS wins and post season contributions should help him. But I don't know about Nomar or Tejada.

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Nomar is a better hitter in Fenway then anywhere else.... he has Todd Helton disease(not to take anything away from todd, hes a great ball player, but i think Ozzie Smith would have hit 20 homers a season hitting in Coors)... Tejada just looks so solid and clutch. Jeter is Mr. November yes, that might help his chances for the hall, but he is one of the most consistant players around... just missed .300 last season, would have made it 7 straight if im not mistaken... he can hit for power, but chooses to use the entire field instead... 1999 he hit 24 homers, and 100+ RBI's in the #1, and #2 spot in the lineup.... and nobody does the charge and throw on slow grounders at SS better than him.

**paulywerner** · 04-19-2003, 01:59 PM

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Damn, if I knew it was gonna go this long, we could have just started up a chat session.

I am outta here boys, the sun is out, and the beach is calling my name. Be back later tonight.

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**paulywerner** · 04-19-2003, 01:59 PM

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Damn, if I knew it was gonna go this long, we could have just started up a chat session.

I am outta here boys, the sun is out, and the beach is calling my name. Be back later tonight.

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**MVPlaya** · 04-19-2003, 02:01 PM

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its not really that funny.

**MVPlaya** · 04-19-2003, 02:01 PM

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its not really that funny.

**paulywerner** · 04-19-2003, 02:03 PM

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Ernie Banks is one of the best SS's of all time...no doubt. But you have never seen him play. A-rod did put up better numbers, alot better.

If this arguement is about who's better, its a-rod of course.

If this is who revolutionized it more, I believe its A-Rod.

From 1955-1960, was when Banks was in his prime and belted 40 + homers and 100+ RBI's. He was injured one season tho so he only played 130 games.

From there after, he started to fall in the Offensive categories. He never batted for a great avg, only 2 seasons he batted over 300. He always batted under 300.

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First off, this is more about the numbers that you pulled off of the MLB.com stats page... Its about how complete a player is compared to his competition he faced... Banks faced better pitching, in bigger ballparks.... If you look at his numbers on the downslide, mid 60's til the end of his career, thats about the time, places like the toiletdome in houston, busche in STL, and all the cookie cutters in the NL... everyones numbers went down, expansion watered down the pitching talent in the 70's.... he faced great pitching, and great defensive teams, and put up those numbers... not that there is any defense for a home run, but just trying to make a point

**paulywerner** · 04-19-2003, 02:03 PM

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Ernie Banks is one of the best SS's of all time...no doubt. But you have never seen him play. A-rod did put up better numbers, alot better.

If this arguement is about who's better, its a-rod of course.

If this is who revolutionized it more, I believe its A-Rod.

From 1955-1960, was when Banks was in his prime and belted 40 + homers and 100+ RBI's. He was injured one season tho so he only played 130 games.

From there after, he started to fall in the Offensive categories. He never batted for a great avg, only 2 seasons he batted over 300. He always batted under 300.

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First off, this is more about the numbers that you pulled off of the MLB.com stats page... Its about how complete a player is compared to his competition he faced... Banks faced better pitching, in bigger ballparks.... If you look at his numbers on the downslide, mid 60's til the end of his career, thats about the time, places like the toiletdome in houston, busche in STL, and all the cookie cutters in the NL... everyones numbers went down, expansion watered down the pitching talent in the 70's.... he faced great pitching, and great defensive teams, and put up those numbers... not that there is any defense for a home run, but just trying to make a point

ALFONSO SORIANO: Is He The Most Complete Player in MLB?

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