Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

[CMH]

Re: Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

How many of you have actually sat down and watched Alex Rios play and disected his game on your own?

I'm assuming then that you have.

Can you please explain to me why he [sucks] then? Shouldn't a guy that is actually a good player play like a good player and not just look like a good player?

Or is that how we evaluate talent today? If he looks like he's a good ballplayer then he must be. Hmm, I think I'll take the stats. You know, the one thing that actually puts it all together and tells you what a player did.

[CMH]

Re: Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

Here's a soft list of regular RF's playing right now that I would take before Alex Rios.

1. Ichiro Suzuki
2. Shin-Soo Choo
3. Justin Upton
4. Bobby Abreu
5. Brad Hawpe
6. Andre Ethier
7. Jayson Werth
8. Nelson Cruz
9. Nick Markakis
10. Jermaine Dye
11. Hunter Pence
12. Ryan Ludwick
13. J.D. Drew
14. Milton Bradley

Give me some time and I'm positive I can make that list grow by a few more names. Taking Rios over any of the names above would be a bad move for a baseball team.

[Vince]

Re: Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

Here's a soft list of regular RF's playing right now that I would take before Alex Rios.

1. Ichiro Suzuki
2. Shin-Soo Choo
3. Justin Upton
4. Bobby Abreu
5. Brad Hawpe
6. Andre Ethier
7. Jayson Werth
8. Nelson Cruz
9. Nick Markakis
10. Jermaine Dye
11. Hunter Pence
12. Ryan Ludwick
13. J.D. Drew
14. Milton Bradley

Give me some time and I'm positive I can make that list grow by a few more names. Taking Rios over any of the names above would be a bad move for a baseball team.

I don't see how anyone can disagree with that list.

I'd go ahead and add Michael Cuddyer to that list as well.

[Dice]

Re: Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

14. Milton Bradley

I'm not sure about this one. I'm pretty sure there are quite a few Cubs fans who would take Rios over this bum.

13. J.D. Drew

This one is also highly questionable.

[Mo]

Re: Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

I'm not sure about this one. I'm pretty sure there are quite a few Cubs fans who would take Rios over this bum.

Agree, no way Milton Bradley is better than Rios, the 30 rbi's this year proves that.

Hell I'll take Corey Patterson in right over Bradley right now.

I'm a Cubs fans BTW.

[CMH]

Re: Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

Bradley has been more productive than Rios. You have to consider he has had about 100 less plate appearances and an inconsistent spot in the lineup.

Also, Rios batted third for a majority of the season as Toronto had batters above him producing at rates above their normal standards, thus increasing his RBI totals.

Bradley has been playing on a Cubs team that has not produced at the same rate.

Doesn't matter. I was referring to their careers. For those with shorter careers, I'm only basing one or two seasons, which is a bit unfair, yes, but it works both ways as a guy like Abreu should be declining and yet is still producing above Rios.

[Ewing]

Re: Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

Here's a soft list of regular RF's playing right now that I would take before Alex Rios.

1. Ichiro Suzuki
2. Shin-Soo Choo
3. Justin Upton
4. Bobby Abreu
5. Brad Hawpe
6. Andre Ethier
7. Jayson Werth
8. Nelson Cruz
9. Nick Markakis
10. Jermaine Dye
11. Hunter Pence
12. Ryan Ludwick
13. J.D. Drew
14. Milton Bradley

Give me some time and I'm positive I can make that list grow by a few more names. Taking Rios over any of the names above would be a bad move for a baseball team.

Allow me to add...

15. Josh Willingham
16. Nick Swisher
17. Ryan Sweeney
18. Michael Cuddyer
19. Kosuke Fukudome
20. Garrett Jones
21. Jay Bruce
22. Ben Zobrist - if he counts

There, we hit the list of twenty.

[snepp]

Re: Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

Garrett Jones?

This is starting to get a little absurd.

[Coug00]

Re: Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

Garrett Jones?

This is starting to get a little absurd.

Agreed. In my wanna-be-GM-trying-to-be-insider-internet-stat-geek opinion, I'd probably only take 10-12 RF's before Rios.

The problem is his contract. I'm guessing teams weren't beating down JP's door cause they're scared of paying that much for an underachieving ***-hole like Rios.

[duke776]

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Agree, no way Milton Bradley is better than Rios, the 30 rbi's this year proves that.

Hell I'll take Corey Patterson in right over Bradley right now.

I'm a Cubs fans BTW.

I'd take Bradley over Patterson any day of the week.

Only way I take Patterson over Bradley is if Milton's contract is wiped out and Patterson is signed for the minimum and immediately DFA'd.

[Dice]

Re: Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

Bradley has been more productive than Rios. You have to consider he has had about 100 less plate appearances and an inconsistent spot in the lineup.

Also, Rios batted third for a majority of the season as Toronto had batters above him producing at rates above their normal standards, thus increasing his RBI totals.

Bradley has been playing on a Cubs team that has not produced at the same rate.

Doesn't matter. I was referring to their careers. For those with shorter careers, I'm only basing one or two seasons, which is a bit unfair, yes, but it works both ways as a guy like Abreu should be declining and yet is still producing above Rios.

Wow, there must be some serious Rios hate going on here. Let's not even ask just Cubs fans, ask any baseball fan and I'm pretty sure majority of them will take Rios over Bradley any day. This is just absurd that you would prefer a 'basket case' player in Milton Bradley over Alex Rios.

Want to know why Bradley has 100 less plate appearances? Maybe because he likes to throw temper tantrums at Piniella. Afterwords, Piniella sits his *** on the bench. But I guess Piniella allegedly called him, "a piece of ****". Which perfectly describes best the way Bradley has been playing.

And his inconsistent spot in the lineup is a result of him batting around .200 for the first two months of the season. Piniella was trying to get him going in some way or another. This is not what you do to $10 million/year player. Those types of players should hit no matter where you put them.

[CMH]

Re: Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

Agreed. In my wanna-be-GM-trying-to-be-insider-internet-stat-geek opinion, I'd probably only take 10-12 RF's before Rios.

The problem is his contract. I'm guessing teams weren't beating down JP's door cause they're scared of paying that much for an underachieving ***-hole like Rios.

That's what it really comes down to.

I still feel he's below-average, but if he were not making 60 MM over 6 years, he wouldn't be in this position right now.

There are two rights here.

There aren't twenty right fielders positively better than Alex Rios. There are about 10 for sure. After that, it's a game of preference. What affects Rios is that he makes money like a Top 10 and because there are about 5-10 more that make less than him while producing at a similar rate, it makes Rios appear worse.

He doesn't suck - which I'd like to point out yet again, I nor anyone said (I don't think anyone said that, but I do know for sure that the stat geeks living in mom's basement were accused of saying that). He, however, is not worth his contract and continuously stating that he is better than he plays is bad player evaluation when how you play determines how good or bad you are.

[Dice]

Re: Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

Allow me to add...

15. Josh Willingham
16. Nick Swisher
17. Ryan Sweeney
18. Michael Cuddyer
19. Kosuke Fukudome
20. Garrett Jones
21. Jay Bruce
22. Ben Zobrist - if he counts

There, we hit the list of twenty.

OK. This is ridiculous. Nick Swisher? Garrett Jones? Ryan Sweeney? I get it. You hate Alex Rios. Right?

[CMH]

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Wow, there must be some serious Rios hate going on here. Let's not even ask just Cubs fans, ask any baseball fan and I'm pretty sure majority of them will take Rios over Bradley any day. This is just absurd that you would prefer a 'basket case' player in Milton Bradley over Alex Rios.

Want to know why Bradley has 100 less plate appearances? Maybe because he likes to throw temper tantrums at Piniella. Afterwords, Piniella sits his *** on the bench. But I guess Piniella allegedly called him, "a piece of ****". Which perfectly describes best the way Bradley has been playing.

And his inconsistent spot in the lineup is a result of him batting around .200 for the first two months of the season. Piniella was trying to get him going in some way or another. This is not what you do to $10 million/year player. Those types of players should hit no matter where you put them.

I didn't realize we were taking attitude into account here. If you weigh that, then Bradley would be the worst outfielder. But Bradley still produces and that's what we're talking about here.

I realize Bradley has batted lower in the lineup because of his average and lack of production. That's why I pointed out that it's a bad year for him. A really bad year and you know this is not like Bradley. This is ridiculously bad for even him.

Pointing out the batting spots was to show you that Rios has more RBI because he was batting third for most of the season when the Blue Jays were scoring a bunch of runs. I'm not going to get into why RBI are mostly based on team performance over individual performance.

There's no hate for Rios. There's only reality.

[CMH]

Re: Waiver claim placed on Alex Rios

ask any baseball fan and I'm pretty sure majority of them will take Rios over Bradley any day.

I wouldn't be defending my belief in a certain system of statistics if the above wasn't true, right?

Of course, most people will pick Rios over Bradley. In my opinion, that's the problem with player evaluation today. I still think too many people take attitude and body into account over actual numbers.

But, I'm not getting into that argument here.