Jason LaRue forced to retire..

[Sportsforever]

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Spikes are, like a bat, a dangerous weapon when there is intent to hurt. I'm not talking about spiking a player on a slide, I'm talking about a kick to an area as fragile as the human head. Cueto knew where he was kicking and knew what could happen as a result of it. And now a guy is forced to retire because of it.

I don't think a lifetime ban is even the slightest bit out there.

Belle delivered the forearm to Vina's head and if I recall gave him a concussion. I just think a lifetime ban is a little too far...do we ban pitchers who hit a guy in the head? Where do you draw the line?

[mKoz26]

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Belle delivered the forearm to Vina's head and if I recall gave him a concussion. I just think a lifetime ban is a little too far...do we ban pitchers who hit a guy in the head? Where do you draw the line?

Throwing at the head, if blatantly intentional, should be met with a big suspension IMO. 5 starts sounds okay to me.

But, again, a forearm is not nearly as dangerous as a cleat. There is no comparison to be honest. Would a hockey player get away with slashing with a skate? The situations both involve equipment that can be highly dangerous with the intent to do harm.

[SlimKibbles]

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Spikes are, like a bat, a dangerous weapon when there is intent to hurt. I'm not talking about spiking a player on a slide, I'm talking about a kick to an area as fragile as the human head. Cueto knew where he was kicking and knew what could happen as a result of it. And now a guy is forced to retire because of it.

I don't think a lifetime ban is even the slightest bit out there.

And you know this for certain how? I doubt he was thinking very clearly in that whole mess.

[mKoz26]

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And you know this for certain how? I doubt he was thinking very clearly in that whole mess.

If he didn't, there is no way he could ever hit a baseball, let alone do so consistently against major league pitchers.

It would take an astoundingly low amount of coordination to not know where he was kicking.

It would take an even lower IQ level to not understand the fragility of what lies inside the human head.

But if you want to keep defending your guy and your team, go right ahead.

[SlimKibbles]

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If he didn't, there is no way he could ever hit a baseball, let alone do so consistently against major league pitchers.

It would take an astoundingly low amount of coordination to not know where he was kicking.

It would take an even lower IQ level to not understand the fragility of what lies inside the human head.

But if you want to keep defending your guy and your team, go right ahead.

Good Lord...Last time I checked, he was a pitcher, not a hitter. I'm impressed that you knew exactly what was going on in his mind through that whole thing. And that comes from many years of experience being in a brawl of that sort? Maybe, perhaps, he started kicking at someone without thinking because it was a reaction? Maybe instinctive? Forgot that he had cleats on? Nah, that's too crazy. He's just a dumb ballplayer that plays for the Reds.

[Dog]

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Regardless if he knew what he was kicking, if it was just a reaction, or anything like that, he ended a guys career. For that, I don't like him.

Also, has he even publicly apoligized? (I don't know)

[mKoz26]

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Good Lord...Last time I checked, he was a pitcher, not a hitter. I'm impressed that you knew exactly what was going on in his mind through that whole thing. And that comes from many years of experience being in a brawl of that sort? Maybe, perhaps, he started kicking at someone without thinking because it was a reaction? Maybe instinctive? Forgot that he had cleats on? Nah, that's too crazy. He's just a dumb ballplayer that plays for the Reds.

Yeah, I totally blanked on the hitting part, lol. Replace hit with pitch and re-read. It's late at night, I'm not perfect.

However, the excuses you're making for him are pure homerism. What would I have against the Reds in a Reds Cardinals brawl. Do you know who the Cubs' biggest rivals are? I'll give you a hint, it's not the Reds.

[SlimKibbles]

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Yeah, I totally blanked on the hitting part, lol. Replace hit with pitch and re-read. It's late at night, I'm not perfect.

However, the excuses you're making for him are pure homerism. What would I have against the Reds in a Reds Cardinals brawl. Do you know who the Cubs' biggest rivals are? I'll give you a hint, it's not the Reds.

I know the Reds and Cubs aren't big rivals, and frankly I don't care. No hint needed. Listen, just as crazy as you think it would be for anyone to feel that Cueto had no malicious intent with his actions, I think it's equally crazy to think he absolutely had malicious intent. Maybe that's just me being naive and believing in the base good of people. Why risk making yourself look bad while also trying to possibly injure someone like that? I think if the teams were flip-flopped and it was a Cardinals player that say kicked Corky Miller in the head, I'd do my best to put myself in the Cards' player's shoes and be a little objective. I'd probably believe he didn't have intent to injure Corky because why do that? Now if Cueto came at LaRue like Chan Ho Park versus Tim Belcher way back when, I would not defend the guy.

[jake44np]

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Yeah, I totally blanked on the hitting part, lol. Replace hit with pitch and re-read. It's late at night, I'm not perfect.

However, the excuses you're making for him are pure homerism. What would I have against the Reds in a Reds Cardinals brawl. Do you know who the Cubs' biggest rivals are? I'll give you a hint, it's not the Reds.

Is the Cubs biggest rival the Pirates??? Just wondering! lol

Bottom line Cueto should not have been kicking anyone with cleats on. Next time he should see if everyone will wait while he goes and puts some tennis shoes on. Again he should have never kicked anyone with cleats on but it happened but in no way did it end LaRues career. LaRue has had 19 other concusions in his life, do you think getting plowed at the plate was less serious then getting scraped by a cleat in a brawl?
He said himself he has been "plowed" over too many times to remember in his life.

[elTodd]

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Is the Cubs biggest rival the Pirates??? Just wondering! lol

Bottom line Cueto should not have been kicking anyone with cleats on. Next time he should see if everyone will wait while he goes and puts some tennis shoes on. Again he should have never kicked anyone with cleats on but it happened but in no way did it end LaRues career. LaRue has had 19 other concusions in his life, do you think getting plowed at the plate was less serious then getting scraped by a cleat in a brawl?
He said himself he has been "plowed" over too many times to remember in his life.

How do you know that? Prior to this incident, he wasn't having any trouble playing the game, or even performing every day activities such as driving a car. While the other 19 concussions may have played a more pivotal role in the grand scheme of things, this incident definitely sparked what is happening with him, and ultimately forced him out of the game.

I guess I really just can't believe the blind homerism that is going on in this thread. Its actually quite ridiculous. Almost every outside perspective, that has absolutely no dog in the fight, agrees that what Cueto did was absolutely uncalled for and was quite frankly atrocious.

How some of you can stand up for this man is beyond my comprehension.

[mKoz26]

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How do you know that? Prior to this incident, he wasn't having any trouble playing the game, or even performing every day activities such as driving a car. While the other 19 concussions may have played a more pivotal role in the grand scheme of things, this incident definitely sparked what is happening with him, and ultimately forced him out of the game.

I guess I really just can't believe the blind homerism that is going on in this thread. Its actually quite ridiculous. Almost every outside perspective, that has absolutely no dog in the fight, agrees that what Cueto did was absolutely uncalled for and was quite frankly atrocious.

How some of you can stand up for this man is beyond my comprehension.

Some people just can't set aside their biases. Whatever, such is life on a sports forum.

[ImTellinTim]

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You don't get concussed from "getting scraped by a cleat"...unreal.

Some of the things being said in this thread are just ridiculous. Guy kicks someone in the head. Cleats or not, you don't just start kicking at people. I expect this kind of action in a soccer fight, not baseball.

[vernond]

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Is the Cubs biggest rival the Pirates??? Just wondering! lol

Bottom line Cueto should not have been kicking anyone with cleats on. Next time he should see if everyone will wait while he goes and puts some tennis shoes on. Again he should have never kicked anyone with cleats on but it happened but in no way did it end LaRues career. LaRue has had 19 other concusions in his life, do you think getting plowed at the plate was less serious then getting scraped by a cleat in a brawl?
He said himself he has been "plowed" over too many times to remember in his life.

Actually it did end his career, I believe that was the main point of the article. The other concussions probably played a part but this was the one that did it, you can read what it's caused Larue. Saying it didn't end his career is like saying Ivan Drago didn't kill Apollo Creed it was the two brutal fights with Rocky that really killed him . Seriously though this is a very bad situation and I can even see people doing things in the heat of the moment they wouldn't normally do, but they do it and should be held responsible. In my opinion the correct way to look at this situation is that it never should have occured and Cueto shouldn't have done what he did, but he did and he should have been punished for it heavily. For the record i think Cueto and Carpenter are both bitches.

[SlimKibbles]

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How do you know that? Prior to this incident, he wasn't having any trouble playing the game, or even performing every day activities such as driving a car. While the other 19 concussions may have played a more pivotal role in the grand scheme of things, this incident definitely sparked what is happening with him, and ultimately forced him out of the game.

I guess I really just can't believe the blind homerism that is going on in this thread. Its actually quite ridiculous. Almost every outside perspective, that has absolutely no dog in the fight, agrees that what Cueto did was absolutely uncalled for and was quite frankly atrocious.

How some of you can stand up for this man is beyond my comprehension.

What I think is ridiculous is that folks have no desire to put themselves in Cueto's shoes. Even though some of you won't admit it, I guarantee you that if Cueto was your team's pitcher, you'd be doing a little more critical thinking about it like us Reds fans are. What he did was wrong but if you want me to believe that he had every intention of kicking Jason LaRue in the head and injuring him, I think you're nuts. Kicking in general, I get.

Some people just can't set aside their biases. Whatever, such is life on a sports forum.

So says the Cubs fan...

Actually it did end his career, I believe that was the main point of the article. The other concussions probably played a part but this was the one that did it, you can read what it's caused Larue. Saying it didn't end his career is like saying Ivan Drago didn't kill Apollo Creed it was the two brutal fights with Rocky that really killed him . Seriously though this is a very bad situation and I can even see people doing things in the heat of the moment they wouldn't normally do, but they do it and should be held responsible. In my opinion the correct way to look at this situation is that it never should have occured and Cueto shouldn't have done what he did, but he did and he should have been punished for it heavily. For the record i think Cueto and Carpenter are both bitches.

This is a good post. I can agree with it. Was Cueto punished enough though? 7 games is more than most have gotten lately for anything outside of violating the drug policy.

[mKoz26]

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What I think is ridiculous is that folks have no desire to put themselves in Cueto's shoes. Even though some of you won't admit it, I guarantee you that if Cueto was your team's pitcher, you'd be doing a little more critical thinking about it like us Reds fans are. What he did was wrong but if you want me to believe that he had every intention of kicking Jason LaRue in the head and injuring him, I think you're nuts. Kicking in general, I get.

OK, so you're playing the "I've put more and/or better thoughts into this situation, I would know" card. If you had any credibility before this post, it's now been washed down the drain. Further proof:

So says the Cubs fan...

The Cardinals are the Cubs biggest rivals. The Reds are barely in our top 5. And before you ask:

1. Cardinals
2. White Sox
3. Brewers
4. Astros
5. Reds
IMO

Why would the Cubs be biased towards the Cardinals, ever?